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Old Jun 1, 2022 | 04:27 PM
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The 911 is a sports car so comparing it with a 4 door, fast luxury sedan is kinda Apples and Oranges. I don't think most people buying Plaids are looking to track the car. Saying the Plaid isn't fast is just stupid semantics. Sure the top speed is only about 175mph governed due to the tires but in most situations outside of the track and the unrestricted Autobahn, almost everything will just get smoked. Also, the 911 S base is $117k but a couple options in and you are looking at the price of a Plaid easily...lets not kid ourselves. Porsche is very very expensive.
I know full well what the options on a 911 add to it. All you need to add is Sport Chrono $2790 to the Carrera S to reach most of it's full potential. Again, read the article on what its like to drive a Plaid at 162 mph. I didn't make it up, read for yourself.

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Old Jun 1, 2022 | 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
That was a great way of getting out of the argument....smart move, I would've done the same thing
What's the top speed of the Plaid again? What's the Nurburgring time again? What's the braking distance again? My SUV has a higher top speed.
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Old Jun 1, 2022 | 04:38 PM
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I know full well what the options on a 911 add to it. All you need to add is Sport Chrono to the base to reach most of it's full potential. Again, read the article on what its like to drive a Plaid at 162 mph. I didn't make it up, read for yourself.
If you think the full potential of the 911 S is to get the fastest on time on the Ring, then yes, the Sport Chrono is the only feature you need (i've never seen a spec so low though). I doubt the Plaid owner has that same goal though...his is to beat the crap out of every car between 0-120mph and carry all the groceries he can buy at the local Costco in between the Porsche beat downs. This is why its such a ridiculous comparison. In the mind of the Plaid owner, he's already won all the races...complete utter embarrassment of anything on the street. In the mind of the Porsche owner, he's probably thinking they'll smoke it at the Ring...but of course, Plaids just don't go tracking very often (if at all). So yes, you are right in that the 911 S is faster on the Track. The Plaid is probably faster everywhere else.
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Old Jun 1, 2022 | 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Sodbuster1
What's the top speed of the Plaid again? What's the Nurburgring time again? What's the braking distance again? My SUV has a higher top speed.
I can care less because I will never go those speeds, nor do I desire to, ever
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Old Jun 1, 2022 | 04:46 PM
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If you think the full potential of the 911 S is to get the fastest on time on the Ring, then yes, the Sport Chrono is the only feature you need (i've never seen a spec so low though). I doubt the Plaid owner has that same goal though...his is to beat the crap out of every car between 0-120mph and carry all the groceries he can buy at the local Costco in between the Porsche beat downs. This is why its such a ridiculous comparison. In the mind of the Plaid owner, he's already won all the races...complete utter embarrassment of anything on the street. In the mind of the Porsche owner, he's probably thinking they'll smoke it at the Ring...but of course, Plaids just don't go tracking very often (if at all). So yes, you are right in that the 911 S is faster on the Track. The Plaid is probably faster everywhere else.
Is the Plaid owner illegally street racing? It's illegal to street race or speed. How is stop light racing more legal than freeway racing at high speeds? Both illegal. He might not make it to Costco for those groceries if he goes to jail. The Tesla owner better keep it on the drag strip.
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Old Jun 1, 2022 | 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
I can care less because I will never go those speeds, nor do I desire to, ever
And I don't care about the difference in 1.9 and 2.9 0-60. I can't use those on the street and don't make a difference on the track.
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Old Jun 1, 2022 | 04:57 PM
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You miss the point lol. Its simply hilarious that a 4 door luxury sedan can so effortlessly trounce these incredible cars off the line. The fact that we are even having this conversation is proof positive that the Plaid is hilarious.
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Old Jun 1, 2022 | 05:00 PM
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You miss the point lol. Its simply hilarious that a 4 door luxury sedan can so effortlessly trounce these incredible cars off the line. The fact that we are even having this conversation is proof positive that the Plaid is hilarious.
So you think the owners of those incredible cars are embarrassed? Or would trade them for a Plaid? A Porsche Cayenne Turbo Coupe SUV that can go offroad will go a faster top speed than a Tesla Plaid. That's not hilarious? You guys need to write to the auto mags telling them to get rid of every stat except acceleration. Everything else is meaningless says the Tesla fans. That Ford vs. Ferrari movie should have been a drag racing movie I guess?

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Old Jun 1, 2022 | 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Sodbuster1
Is the Plaid owner illegally street racing? It's illegal to street race or speed. How is stop light racing more legal than freeway racing at high speeds? Both illegal. He might not make it to Costco for those groceries if he goes to jail. The Tesla owner better keep it on the drag strip.
Oh please...lets not be naïve here. Very few Plaid owners (or other high end super fast car owners) take their cars to a track. They use their speed on on-ramps, street lights, and general speeding on highways. They also do the occasional canyon runs and high speed passes in remote desert areas of Texas. I have yet to meet a Plaid owner (or even a fast car owner) that has taken their car to the track (including many many many Porsche owners).
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Old Jun 1, 2022 | 05:10 PM
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Oh please...lets not be naïve here. Very few Plaid owners (or other high end super fast car owners) take their cars to a track. They use their speed on on-ramps, street lights, and general speeding on highways. They also do the occasional canyon runs and high speed passes in remote desert areas of Texas. I have yet to meet a Plaid owner (or even a fast car owner) that has taken their car to the track (including many many many Porsche owners).
Those remote areas of Texas still have speed limits. Go tell the people at Rennlist they don't track their cars LOL. Actually, you know what's a great track car? Miata. A lot of people race the Miata.

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And I don't care about the difference in 1.9 and 2.9 0-60. I can't use those on the street and don't make a difference on the track.
Respectfully, you and I have different priorities. I can care less about top speed, because I just don't care about going any faster than 80 on the freeway. In fact I really don't care about beating you or anyone else light to light. What I find fascinating though is your seemingly unwillingness to accept that the Plaid is a fast car, although it can wipe most cars out at the dragstrip. And then convert instantly to an amazing daily
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Old Jun 1, 2022 | 05:17 PM
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Those remote areas of Texas still have speed limits. Go tell the people at Rennlist they don't track their cars LOL. Actually, you know what's a great track car? Miata.
Rennlist is a tiny portion of overall Porsche owners. Most people don't like to track their expensive cars because consumables are expensive. I know a fair bit of Miata owners that track their car though and that would be my car of choice to track. I've done Button Willow in So-cal in an old Integra . That car had cheap consumables too. I would never ever track my 4 door family sedan though...just not much fun. What is fun is mashing that throttle and doing a quick 0-60 on an on-ramp in 2 seconds ...thats my point. The Plaid is completely bonkers as a daily driver.
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Old Jun 1, 2022 | 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Sodbuster1
So you think the owners of those incredible cars are embarrassed? Or would trade them for a Plaid? A Porsche Cayenne Turbo Coupe SUV that can go offroad will go a faster top speed than a Tesla Plaid. That's not hilarious? You guys need to write to the auto mags telling them to get rid of every stat except acceleration. Everything else is meaningless says the Tesla fans. That Ford vs. Ferrari movie should have been a drag racing movie I guess?
No, not embarrassed at all nor should they be. Doesn't change the fact that the Plaid is hilarious.

Your reaction to this though implies that you are in fact embarrassed lol. If the fact that the Plaid could do this didnt bother you, it wouldn't make you so angry.
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Old Jun 1, 2022 | 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
Respectfully, you and I have different priorities. I can care less about top speed, because I just don't care about going any faster than 80 on the freeway. In fact I really don't care about beating you or anyone else light to light. What I find fascinating though is your seemingly unwillingness to accept that the Plaid is a fast car, although it can wipe most cars out at the dragstrip. And then convert instantly to an amazing daily
It's an amazing car at being quick at accelerating!!!!!!!! I simply stated that the owner of other incredible cars probably don't feel embarrassed by it. Those other cars are better at some things also.
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