Nice!! So what does everyone think it'll cost?

 

I’m pretty sure it will be IS500 with V6 TT now that I think about it and the fact they called it “new era” of performance referring to turbo.

Most likely it will be RWD only since the AWD can only fit 6speed auto.

 

Guess we'll have to wait for Monday for the details, because I can't wrap my head around how an IS can have the GS-F's V8 engine like in the teaser pics and still be called an "F-Sport".

 

Explain how the GSF reaches 250km/h 6 seconds faster than the M340i then if both "Google dyno the same" lol.

Toyota -major auto company , effectively second biggest Auto company, claims GSF is 470hp
BMW - major German auto manufacturer, pioneered the Sports sedan, claims M340i is 370hp
Independant tester - Autobahn test 0-250km/h bears out what physics says, that GSF's 100 hp extra nets you significantly faster 0-250km/h


You : Toyota and BMW are lying, both cars have about the same hp despite the official stated 100 hp discrepancy, Autobahn testing captured on video must be rigged. Based on testing by unverified sources.

 

M340 does 0-150mph in 24.2s

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...m340iviewspecs

GSF does 0-150mph in 24.2s

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...f-test-review/

I'd trust Car and Driver instrumented tests over a janky YouTube video. The cars essentially are the same speed.

 

LOL did you even do a search? Riddle me this, why is the M340 quicker and faster through the 1/4 mile despite having 100 less hp? It’s 382 by the way, not 370. Are you saying the real world dynos are lying? BMW under rated their hp on the M340 just like the new Supra. Like is said, maybe it’s the gearing, I don’t know, but you are right, 6 seconds to 150 is huge.

 

250km/h is not 150 mph. At such high speeds, it takes a significant amount of added hp to reach that slightly higher speed faster. That difference of 10km/h will take much more more hp to attain faster. Ergo, a slight difference in acceleration to 0-240km/h(150mph) will be amplified by the same engines in a 0-250km/h comparison.

​​​​​​All you've shown is that truly the GSF has more true hp than the 340i considering the GSF is heavier by a few hundred pounds and yet still faster significantly than the 340i in 0-250km/h by 6 seconds.

 

So the GSF is faster past 150mph. The M340 is faster at all other speeds which is far more useable. There is a 20hp difference on a dyno between the two. Sounds like German horses are far stronger than Japanese horses if you go by manufacturer spec.

 

Anyway back to the IS500 F-Sport lol.

If the IS500 F-Sport comes with 3.4L TT V6 that is tunable and has on demand AWD, that will be my second car, to join my beloved 3rd gen GS450h.

Lexus reliability, with turbo tunability. The already large displacement 3.4 L means that the turbo is lightly tuned and turbo lag should be minimal. 2021 IS chassis already has superior ride-handling balance to the market leader 3 series and the refreshed IS exterior blows away that BMW 3/4 series front nostril abomination. Only misgiving is how much Lexus will price the IS500 F-Sport.

 

is this a new leaked image? This is 100% the new IS rear window. There is already an F-Sport with thr IS350. This couldn't possibly be a IS300 F-Sport. So that only leaves a definite power upgrade of either the V6TT or the V8. As someone else mentioned since they said new Era it could mean the V6TT. I would prefer it to be the V8 but I'll take the V6TT.

 

Fingers crossed it is not a new blacked out trim F Sport package.

 

According to the bulletin posted this will be a new model. I'm guessing the IS500 that was trademarked last year.

 

getting the quarter mile done faster, having a faster 0-60, and getting to 150mph faster does not make the car more usable, especially if you are comparing two cars that are already really fast.

If you’re purchasing vehicles based on specs alone, then you’re not the target buyer for any Lexus F product.

This is the same type of argument that people had about the LFA, but that car will double in value in a 3-4 years. They currently sell for $500k and are projected to be worth $600k by the end of 2021.

Used ISFs sell for 50% to 100% more than a 340i. I can’t compare the m340i bc the car only came out last year but a 2020 m340i w/ 13-16k miles sells for $45k, while a 2011 ISF sells for $44k w/ 45k miles. So a 10yr old car F car is holding its value against a 1 yr old BMW.

a 4 year old GSF w/ 13-16k miles will sell between $55k to $60k. At $45k you’ll get a 50 to 80k mile 2016 GSF.

so the real car to get is a used m340i, not bc it’s more usable and faster, but bc it loses 25 to 30% of its value in the first year of ownership, another 15% the second year, and is ultimately a disposable product that no one will ever remember.

My 2016 GSF is worth more now than what I paid for it. That will never happen with the m340i.

If you’re looking for fast sedans, buying a GSF is a no brainer compared to the M340i. And again I’ll reiterate for a 3rd time, GSF buyers are not paying $90k. The car can be had new in the $70k range. It is undoubtedly a better purchase than any BMW product at that price point especially if you plan to own the car for longer than 3-4 yrs.

 

Now that I can agree on. I would love for this to happen. Only one day away and we will find out. I try not to get my hopes up too much because if it doesn’t happen I’ll be really disappointed.

 

I'm not arguing it's a better car. It was an objective discussion on speed. Of course the F car will be better but have you seen the insane lease rates on a M340? Nobody actually buys an M340. At $70k vs $60k for the M340, the GSF is a much better value. But the GSF is a hard car to find generally and only a true enthusiast know the actual value for the car so they heavily negotiate. The average M340'purchase is much easier as they have a ton in stock and the lease rates make the car seem much cheaper than a $60k. Many people have been getting a $64k M340 for $500-600 a month, no down. Probably the reason you see a ton of M340s everywhere.

Lexus did itself a huge disservice in marketing the GSF the way it did. Casual buyers look at the $90k price tag and dismiss the car completely. At $75k MSRP, you'd see a ton of them roaming the streets.