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Old Jan 19, 2021 | 05:53 PM
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There isn't enough hydrogen to fuel the cars on the road now. Recently in California there were shortages some stations had ZERO. Good luck producing enough to fuel 10's of millions of cars the cost to build that infrastructure is estimated to be approaching a trillion dollars. Each station can run $1 million, more if it also has onsite solar and battery storage to power the electrolysis systems.
i dont see FC ever being a solution in my neck of woods, but what you are writing about infrastructure is exactly why EV haters say EVs are not ever going to be solution - there is simply no solution to charge 10s of millions of vehicles today.

Problem is - they dont need to charge 10 millions today. They need to charge thousands... once they can do that, they need to charge tens of thousands. That is how it works.
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Old Jan 19, 2021 | 06:49 PM
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again, Japan and China are working together on FCEVs.
Japan, Korea and Germany - all have FCEV's in operation; no big deal.

Without government subsidies like EV subsidies for Tesla in the US, and without TMC selling their FCEV's initially at a loss like Tesla to make FCEV's affordable - there will be no FCEV's in the US...







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Old Jan 19, 2021 | 11:16 PM
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$70,000? Good luck competing with Tesla at that price.
No worries, Toyota has massive incentives for it and I'm sure most of the allotment is already spoken for...these FCHVs are popular in my neighborhood. There's one station in the city, and I've seen a line of 3-4 cars (Mirai and Hyundai here and there) in line to get their H2.

https://www.carsdirect.com/deals-art...2-000-discount
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Old Jan 20, 2021 | 06:00 AM
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No worries, Toyota has massive incentives for it and I'm sure most of the allotment is already spoken for...these FCHVs are popular in my neighborhood. There's one station in the city, and I've seen a line of 3-4 cars (Mirai and Hyundai here and there) in line to get their H2.

https://www.carsdirect.com/deals-art...2-000-discount
Wow, those are some serious incentives.
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Old Feb 20, 2021 | 02:15 PM
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Disregard the clickbait title

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Old Feb 20, 2021 | 03:05 PM
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The interior of that Tesla 3 is BAD. The Toyota is amazing inside.
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Old Feb 20, 2021 | 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
The interior of that Tesla 3 is BAD. The Toyota is amazing inside.
Don't worry, for people who live in California, you'll be able to buy a Mirai for cheap once the lease is up.
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Old Apr 20, 2021 | 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by spwolf
i dont see FC ever being a solution in my neck of woods, but what you are writing about infrastructure is exactly why EV haters say EVs are not ever going to be solution - there is simply no solution to charge 10s of millions of vehicles today.

Problem is - they dont need to charge 10 millions today. They need to charge thousands... once they can do that, they need to charge tens of thousands. That is how it works.
Siemens recently said they can produce hydrogen for $1.50/kg by 2025. It's a game changer when hydrogen costs less than gasoline.

Fuel cells are more efficient in cold areas than BEV so there's potential for them everywhere.

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Old Apr 20, 2021 | 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by LeX2K
There isn't enough hydrogen to fuel the cars on the road now. Recently in California there were shortages some stations had ZERO. Good luck producing enough to fuel 10's of millions of cars the cost to build that infrastructure is estimated to be approaching a trillion dollars. Each station can run $1 million, more if it also has onsite solar and battery storage to power the electrolysis systems.
If it gets us off of oil (and all the Middle East entanglement that entails), so what?
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Old Apr 20, 2021 | 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by MetalMirai
If it gets us off of oil (and all the Middle East entanglement that entails), so what?
Oil supply is not an issue, up until this year the U.S. was producing a surplus. Canada could easily do the same but doesn't for reasons we are not allowed to discuss here. As for hydrogen 90%+ is currently made from natural gas. Going forward I can see hydrogen being a good way to store surplus energy which I predict will be a reality around 2030.
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Old Apr 22, 2021 | 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by MetalMirai
Siemens recently said they can produce hydrogen for $1.50/kg by 2025. It's a game changer when hydrogen costs less than gasoline.

Fuel cells are more efficient in cold areas than BEV so there's potential for them everywhere.
‘it will be impossible to go zero carbon without a hydrogen solution/contribution. I wonder if it will ever cost less. Electric cars are starting to get taxed. At the end of the day I think it will more expensive in the future to be green
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Old Jun 30, 2021 | 12:26 PM
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Well well well, guess who gave the latest ringing endorsement for the Mirai.

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Old Oct 5, 2021 | 07:50 PM
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Crazy incentives for Mirais going on:

-$25k cash incentive (finance with Toyco)
- $7500 federal- $1500+ state
just wish hydrogen stations were more prevalent..
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Old Oct 5, 2021 | 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by ST430
Crazy incentives for Mirais going on:

-$25k cash incentive (finance with Toyco)
- $7500 federal- $1500+ state
just wish hydrogen stations were more prevalent..
If there were a hydrogen station across from me…I’d get one
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Old Oct 5, 2021 | 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by ST430
Crazy incentives for Mirais going on:

-$25k cash incentive (finance with Toyco)
- $7500 federal- $1500+ state
just wish hydrogen stations were more prevalent..
you should get one. sounds like a free car.
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