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Old Dec 17, 2020 | 07:57 AM
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alex, being in california, is all in on 'green' vehicles despite driving a durango and towing 8000lb trailers up mountains, lol.

i've really become discouraged by his reviews of late.

he's all enamored by this mirai which is USELESS to 99% of the country/world.
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Old Dec 17, 2020 | 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by swajames
The value of a Mirai, speaking as someone who had the last gen model, is clear and obvious if you have good access to hydrogen (there are three stations near me)
  • Fuel is free. Almost every Mirai customer is not paying for hydrogen.
  • Refueling takes 5 minutes. This is huge. It takes marginally longer to fill than an ICE car.
  • Build quality is extremely high. The car feels like a premium car. It is easily Lexus quality.
  • The car is NOT slow in any reasonable sense. It is absolutely nowhere near Tesla fast, but it more than holds its own in town driving.
  • Better incentives than EV (for now)
  • Free maintenance
  • HOV access
You can lease a Mirai for less than a Tesla, and you get $15K of hydrogen thrown in which for most people will well outlast the lease.
yes, if you have hydrogen nearby and since toyota is pretty much giving it away, it made sense for you. for almost everyone else? not so much.

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You think EV range anxiety is a thing, forget taking this pretty much anywhere outside of your little bubble. I can't understand why anyone would buy this thing it's expensive, slow, small inside and a very small trunk.


D.O.A.

they'll probably "sell" (give away) some to governments so they can tout their green creds.


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Old Dec 17, 2020 | 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
alex, being in california, is all in on 'green' vehicles despite driving a durango and towing 8000lb trailers up mountains, lol.
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Alex has a leased Hyundai Fuel Cell too...
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Old Dec 17, 2020 | 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
he's all enamored by this mirai which is USELESS to 99% of the country/world.

I'll agree that the Mirai is all but useless under present conditions.....but why is it useless? Because we have allowed it to be that way (or become that way) instead of getting to work on a hydrogen-supply-infrastructure. ANY vehicle will become useless if one cannot provide energy for it.
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Old Dec 17, 2020 | 08:59 AM
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I look at it this way. I got to drive a largely hand made car that reportedly cost Toyota three times more to make than each car’s MSRP largely on their dime (my lease payments were less than the fuel allowance). Folly or not, that’s up to Toyota and their R&D budget to decide, I got to drive a reasonably nice car largely for free essentially as part of a Toyota R&D project. And I saved hundreds of driving hours with HOV lane access. So yeah, it was a pretty good deal for me.

https://global.toyota/en/detail/6402089

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Old Dec 17, 2020 | 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
I'll agree that the Mirai is all but useless under present conditions.....but why is it useless? Because we have allowed it to be that way (or become that way) instead of getting to work on a hydrogen-supply-infrastructure. ANY vehicle will become useless if one cannot provide energy for it.
Great post! If people in United States want to be poor, out of work and have no future...then the politicians should advocate the future is to be run on just batteries....if people think that 70 million cars a year sold worldwide will be all batteries....then need some electrical stimulation to the brain to get their head straightened out...

You will have Youngstown OH all across America...

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Old Dec 17, 2020 | 06:39 PM
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Let me get this straight. Improving the grid to accommodate more EVs that's no bueno but building a $trillion+ infrastructure so we can propel cars with hydrogen primarily derived from fossil fuel, better get to work on that lovely plan.
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Old Dec 21, 2020 | 04:02 PM
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Motorweek is weird to watch without John Davis.
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Old Dec 21, 2020 | 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Motorola
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqvhIKLPq3o

Motorweek is weird to watch without John Davis.
I wonder if John Davis is stepping back a bit these days? For a short review those two guys did a good job. They've both been on MW for a while.
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Old Dec 21, 2020 | 04:46 PM
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I wonder if John Davis is stepping back a bit these days? For a short review those two guys did a good job. They've both been on MW for a while.
He has such a great voice....He owns the oddest vehicle too
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Old Dec 21, 2020 | 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
He has such a great voice....He owns the oddest vehicle too
I like his laid back conversational tone vs. some of the over the top, shouting, clickbait-ish approaches you see these days.
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Originally Posted by LexBob2
I like his laid back conversational tone vs. some of the over the top, shouting, clickbait-ish approaches you see these days.
You would not see all that silly nonsense if there was no you tube. Motorweek is/was real journalism....all the You Tube stuff is based on their subscriber demos that they are pandering to.....printed stuff and cable stuff was the real deal

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some of the over the top, shouting,
The dumbest crap ever is when they make silly faces for the main screen shot





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Old Dec 21, 2020 | 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
Motorweek is/was real journalism
^^^^^ John Davis is a class act. I've met him and talked with him, several times, at some of the auto shows, although I can't really call him a friend or a close-colleague. Still, I like his style, his ease of talking/conversation, his objectivity, and his devotion to the business of auto-reviews that he would stay in that business so long. True, his reviews aren't as long or detailed as, say, those of Alex Dykes, but part of that is because of the way the Motorweek show is set up.....he only gets about 5-6 minutes for each vehicle he reviews, because they also fit in Pat Goss (the Show's Technician), the latest auto-news from the industry, and several other stories in the half-hour segment. If John had the half-hour all to himself, like Alex does in his videos, things would probably be different.

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Old Dec 22, 2020 | 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
You would not see all that silly nonsense if there was no you tube. Motorweek is/was real journalism....all the You Tube stuff is based on their subscriber demos that they are pandering to.....printed stuff and cable stuff was the real deal
ok i think we can do without turning this thread into a debate about how bad youtube is. it only has billions of users after all.
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Old Dec 22, 2020 | 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
ok i think we can do without turning this thread into a debate about how bad youtube is. it only has billions of users after all.
I am very sorry. I had just responded to the MotorWeek comment that JD was missing. The someone mentioned they didn’t like click bait...

Anyways....the MW video was pretty positive.

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