So what other options are there for NX class with a V6?

 

Its not about a V6, its about more power. The poster you responded to said that th Lexus 4 cyl was underpowered compared to the competition, you brought up Lexus doing that on purpose to make people go to a V6 when the model doesn't offer a V6.

There are many options. Every competitor has options with way more power. Lexus NX has 235 hp. Volvo, XC60 has up to 400hp available. BMW X3 has a 6 cyl option at 355hp and their 4 cyl has 20 more horsepower. Mercedes GLC starts out with a 4 cyl with 20 more HP and engines range from there to 315 hp in the e model, then up to 470 hp in AMG trims.

Lexus is way behind here.

 

Not to mention German horses are waaaay stronger than Japanese horses. The BMW 330 4 cylinder is advertised as 255hp from their 4 cylinder and does the 0-60 in 5.3 seconds. The IS200T has 240hp and does the 0-60 in 7 seconds. The IS350 has 311 horsepower and does the 0-60 in 5.5 seconds. Right now, there is a chasm of difference in performance between the Germans and Japanese at the same displacement.

 

Right, the German engines are under-rated.

 

An NX IMO competes with the XT4 and RDX as well as Corsair. I really have not looked at the starting prices but that is my perception. And yeah, only my opinion, but Lexus wants the person who really wants more power to move to a RX350 which is a dedicated 2 row as the naturally upsize. I think most people, given the choice, would purchase a cheaper, just as powerful NX350 if they could compare it to the RX350...so Lexus removes that choice.
I don’t believe Lexus IS behind, they just know what might make them more money. In the past, I don’t recall a Lexus crossover or body on frame SUV ever having a two-gas engine option for the United States. If there were a RAV4 2.0tt option, there would be some buyers going for the RAV4 instead of the marked up NX....nobody is going to buy a 470hp NX...lol

I agree, that the NX could have some power, but those are 2015 numbers. And Lexus has never been ahead at the power numbers and ratings. Dating back to inception

 

Not to mention the BMW 4 banger gets 36 mpg on highway and 26 in city while the Lexus 4 banger gets 26 mpg on highway and 19 mpg in city. In fact C&D got a crazy 42mpg on their mpg test:

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2...-economy-test/

Obviously they German's have incredible powertrain technology. Really impressive stuff.

 

That doesn't seem to be a problem for any of the other competitors.

The bottom line is, the competitors are growing their choices and improving in ways Lexus just isn't which is reinforcing the fact that Lexus isn't in that same league anymore.

I mean...when VOLVO becomes much higher performance and more luxurious, Lexus has lost their way.

 

About the LC...

Has anyone seen a picture of the LC in the new Cadmium Orange color? I can't find one and I'm very curious about what it will look like.

And what is the difference between Flare Red and Rioja Red for the interior? Is Flare Red darker? I miss the Cabernet interior previously available on the GS. I think the LC interior would have looked fabulous in Cabernet.

 

You mean the NX is not in the same league as the X3, or Volvo (as your have been arguing just the NX) has And I agree. But I see the NX more for a XT4 or Corsair competitor anyway. The NX is also for the RAV4 customers that want to move up to a Lexus, you can’t forget that either.

 

The issue is thats not a unique problem for the NX. Across the lineup Lexus just isn't competing with the big boys anymore, clearly no longer a tier 1 carmaker, better compared to Lincoln and Cadillac and Acura.

Even the Lincoln Corsair has a 295hp engine option.

 

Not just the engines, but the ZF 8-speed is leagues ahead of the Aisin one that Lexus uses. The transmission logic also contributes to the superior acceleration and fuel economy. Even on its performance models like the GS-F, Lexus's transmission is a slug compared to anything else in Europe.

 

Well, as per the NX as that is what we are discussing, I don’t think it is a very good product anyway. Weird styling, god awful remote touch interface, and just strangeness all around. I do think the interior is a strange design, but I think the fit and finish is excellent. As for the motor, at least the turbo is built in-house. I think the UX is much better alternative to the NX if you like the Lexus brand or are moving up from the Toyota segment

 

The UX is a totally different type of vehicle than the NX.

And an attempt to keep a totally off topic discussion on a topic doesn't make sense lol, this is the 2021 LC thread.

 

I don't think you have any idea what you are arguing about. When I visit Lexus.com and click compare, it appears Lexus wants consumers to view the X2 as a true competitor, in addition to the Audi Q3. That said, when comparing the X3 (which you mentioned) , the Lexus is smaller and $5,000 cheaper. I think the fact that the X3 with Xdriver30 is a $44,000 price tag with 248hp is pretty difficult to justify.....for $150 more, you can get a 300hp RX350 for the same money as the X3 base...I think you are wrong

Word. Lol.

 

2nd gen GS, GS400 was once the fastest automatic transmission equipped production sedan in the world... to be quickly followed by XJR, E55, M5 (although not automatic), etc. Would love to see something like the LC F throw down, but we'll see what happens.