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It's very much a thing......a lot of parts are not made where they claim to be based on casting marks and ground off primary branding.
It's great if you can confirm it's the real deal but for stuff that IS made in Germany for example prices have gotten much much higher relative to the Chinese made/stamp brand on it finishing work type stuff.
It's annoying for other items, for a lot of things I own I make sure the factory is here in the US and I've walked 5 of them myself so I know their stuff 100% goes in as raw metal on one end and product out on the other.
One if my suppliers I buy extruded aluminum products from brings material from Brazil, although he is well aware they originate in China and go through some rounds of shenanigans to circumvent sanctions.
good posts guys… wouldn’t be surprised if china ‘eats’ markets from the inside out (parts). having said that, i know gm’s buick has offered a chinese made model (envision?) for several years… it that still available and how can it be competitive with tariffs or is there some kind of exclusion for that?
One if my suppliers I buy extruded aluminum products from brings material from Brazil, although he is well aware they originate in China and go through some rounds of shenanigans to circumvent sanctions.
Customs is cracking down on these.
One company I was dealing with got a huge fine going back 5 years for not providing correct code / disclosure for plywood that was coming from China. They are contesting it with their attorneys.
One company I was dealing with got a huge fine going back 5 years for not providing correct code / disclosure for plywood that was coming from China. They are contesting it with their attorneys.
Hmmm. That's annoying.
For my work cars I use Chinese to keep costs low so that would suck to lose that.
It has been recently discovered that a lot of high end European clothes, accessories and watches are 95% made in China, and then they are shipped to Europe where they receive finishing touches and "Made in Italy/France/Germany/Switzerland" tags and sold worldwide.
interestingly i clicked on this thread expecting a china "wrist" watch, read i was wrong, then found out my initial thought was not too far off!
China has built a competitor to Honda’s Gold Wing with this EIGHT cylinder boxer. Surprisingly my made in Japan Kawasaki’s OEM oil filter is made in China. It’s somehow cheaper for Japan to contract with China for their Kawasaki oil filters than build them themselves.
There are only two production motorcycles currently with 6 cylinder engines, the Honda Goldwing with its boxer 6, and the BMW K1600 with it's inline 6. There were a couple of less popular older models in the past as well. There are no production 8 cylinder motorcycles, only some custom and one off stuff. There is the Boss Hoss, - they take a Harley and install a GM V8 engine, not even sure if they are still sold. I'm sure this Chinese 8 cyl motorcycle is mostly for show, they won't mass produce these.
That being said, US cities are swarming with Chinese made mopeds, they are probably sold in far greater quantities than motorcycles. There is the Chinese CF Moto brand, selling actual motorcycle and ATVs in the US, and they are getting popular with great reviews and pricing. Some European motorcycle are made in China, usually the lower end models, but that's a start. And of course a lot of parts are made in China. In the future manufacturers will move more and more production to China, some cars and bikes are going to be 95% Chinese made, and they will find a way to obfuscate it, kinda like they do with the sanctioned Russian oil and "Swiss" watches, lol.
There are only two production motorcycles currently with 6 cylinder engines, the Honda Goldwing with its boxer 6, and the BMW K1600 with it's inline 6. There were a couple of less popular older models in the past as well. There are no production 8 cylinder motorcycles, only some custom and one off stuff. There is the Boss Hoss, - they take a Harley and install a GM V8 engine, not even sure if they are still sold. I'm sure this Chinese 8 cyl motorcycle is mostly for show, they won't mass produce these.
That being said, US cities are swarming with Chinese made mopeds, they are probably sold in far greater quantities than motorcycles. There is the Chinese CF Moto brand, selling actual motorcycle and ATVs in the US, and they are getting popular with great reviews and pricing. Some European motorcycle are made in China, usually the lower end models, but that's a start. And of course a lot of parts are made in China. In the future manufacturers will move more and more production to China, some cars and bikes are going to be 95% Chinese made, and they will find a way to obfuscate it, kinda like they do with the sanctioned Russian oil and "Swiss" watches, lol.
Interesting if they mass produce it, I dont see it selling in any meaningful numbers. I own a K1600 GTL, chose it over the Goldwing for a number if reasons. I just do not see this Great Wall S2000 as serious competition to either one, going to be too heavy, they dont have BMW’s or Honda’s expertise in chassis design, and its 2 liter 8 is only making 150hp, the 1.6 inline 6 in the BMW is making 160hp.
Either way, very unique design, clearly inspired by passion.
i don’t want this thread to turn into ‘whataboutism’ or political debate.
what i’d like us to focus on is the chinese auto industry and how big a threat it is to the rest of the auto industry. seems to me that it is a huge threat.
like most of us, i watch videos and read articles. some of which is probably hyperbole or wrong or ai slop, and maybe the threat exaggerated, but chinese companies have not only actually risen in size and abilities in the past decade, they’ve also acquired many ‘traditional’ brands (e.g., volvo by geely).
Internally the discussions on CH hardware is impressive, to the point of arranging partnerships agreements on certain chdm products, and future import of their tech. However regulatory environments and political polarization make it impossible.
TLDR: legacy oems and ch companies seems to be frenimies
Chinese automakers would absolutely decimate all the established brands if they playing field was truly free market. Not sure if it's a good thing or a bad thing.
