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7 years later… BYD is *CRUSHING IT* and threatens ALL other car companies. but their pricing is rigged by chinese govt subsidies, and there’s a giant scandal and potential collapse brewing.
cars are just one of the latest industries china plays unfair in to destroy any competition.
The biggest reason why China EVs are so successful is the idiotic policies of the EU which forced German engineers to waste their knowledge of ICE and try to pivot to building EVs that nobody wants.
Its really sad how they completely destroyed the EU auto industry.
As far as China - they don’t play fair and never have. They are selling these EVs below cost because of funding from CCP to kill all competition. I hope they stay banned from US until our brands can sell in China without tariffs.
No sure if this brand is any reliable but the design is pretty dawn good IMO. I saw this last year.
Just looked this up to see how much/what this thing is. From Google:
China Pricing (2026 Model): Starts from around 269,800 to 280,000+ Yuan, translating to roughly 39,000 - 46,000 USD[img]data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAP///wAAACH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAICRAEAOw==[/img]
Europe Pricing (2026 Model): Listed at over €115,000 (roughly 134,500 USD) including VAT. This price points it against premium European competitors like the Porsche Panamera.
Key Features: The 2026 model boasts 1,140+ horsepower, a 9-minute full-charge capability (flash charging)
I heard that many decades ago, they paid some American person millions of dollars for a copy of the blueprints for the atomic bomb.
This is the real reason why Lexus has held off assembling Lexiis in China, but I don't know why Lexus has recently done an about face, and agreed to assemble hybrids in China?
In addition Chinese and Japanese relations are still complicated based on their pasts. Their consumer base and might simply cannot be ignored. And to Lexus credit they actually sell there even if it’s in small quantities. In comparison Acura completely pulled out due to extremely low sales.
The biggest reason why China EVs are so successful is the idiotic policies of the EU which forced German engineers to waste their knowledge of ICE and try to pivot to building EVs that nobody wants.
Its really sad how they completely destroyed the EU auto industry.
As far as China - they don’t play fair and never have. They are selling these EVs below cost because of funding from CCP to kill all competition. I hope they stay banned from US until our brands can sell in China without tariffs.
It’s not like established manufacturers play fair, and after all the price gouging since 2020, I would love for the Chinese start selling in the US.
Thankfully, the auto industry has so much voting power that we will never see those communist-subsidized, ugly, Chinese junk mobiles on our streets.
They are not subsidized. Subsidy has its definition and its happening in US every time car manufacturers plan to open up a plant or R&D center, government invests billions to make it happen. What china is doing is straight out swallowing the loss of each BEV model sold until it turns profit. Many Chinese provinces have majority of stake in various BEV manufacturers and keep adding cash whenever its needed. For how long it remains to be seen. I think world has learned its lesson with solar panel industry, at least I hope. But lets not pretend things are any different in west, they are just more subtle and not as generous. BMW and VW families have been part of the government in their own states for decades now. They rely super heavily on actual subsidies of Germany and their states. Tesla is the perfect example how socialist economy works. US tax payers funded Tesla so it could turn into the global player and turn profit. Of course some stock manipulation and insider trading helped that too but since Musk was swinging for team blue back then he didnt end up in jail like he should have been. In order to make it seem like a fair game US didnt just subsidy Tesla, they subsidized every startup BEV manufacturer but since Tesla was far ahead from those startups the actual subsidy specifications were aligned only so Tesla could have benefits, others didn't have chance to survive. That's corruption 101.
i don’t want this thread to turn into ‘whataboutism’ or political debate.
what i’d like us to focus on is the chinese auto industry and how big a threat it is to the rest of the auto industry. seems to me that it is a huge threat.
like most of us, i watch videos and read articles. some of which is probably hyperbole or wrong or ai slop, and maybe the threat exaggerated, but chinese companies have not only actually risen in size and abilities in the past decade, they’ve also acquired many ‘traditional’ brands (e.g., volvo by geely).
Last edited by bitkahuna; Apr 19, 2026 at 01:44 PM.
The biggest reason why China EVs are so successful is the idiotic policies of the EU which forced German engineers to waste their knowledge of ICE and try to pivot to building EVs that nobody wants.
Its really sad how they completely destroyed the EU auto industry.
As far as China - they don’t play fair and never have. They are selling these EVs below cost because of funding from CCP to kill all competition. I hope they stay banned from US until our brands can sell in China without tariffs.
“In June 2022, after 16 hours of negotiations,all climate ministers of the 27 EU member states agreed to the commission's proposal to effectively ban the sale of new internal combustion vehicles by 2035”
They are not subsidized. Subsidy has its definition and its happening in US every time car manufacturers plan to open up a plant or R&D center, government invests billions to make it happen. What china is doing is straight out swallowing the loss of each BEV model sold until it turns profit. Many Chinese provinces have majority of stake in various BEV manufacturers and keep adding cash whenever its needed. For how long it remains to be seen. I think world has learned its lesson with solar panel industry, at least I hope. But lets not pretend things are any different in west, they are just more subtle and not as generous. BMW and VW families have been part of the government in their own states for decades now. They rely super heavily on actual subsidies of Germany and their states. Tesla is the perfect example how socialist economy works. US tax payers funded Tesla so it could turn into the global player and turn profit. Of course some stock manipulation and insider trading helped that too but since Musk was swinging for team blue back then he didnt end up in jail like he should have been. In order to make it seem like a fair game US didnt just subsidy Tesla, they subsidized every startup BEV manufacturer but since Tesla was far ahead from those startups the actual subsidy specifications were aligned only so Tesla could have benefits, others didn't have chance to survive. That's corruption 101.
Great post, not to mention bail outs and EV subsidies for established automakers that resulted in a pile of absolute duds. There is definitely a lot of manipulations going on, with a lot of obscure transactions.
i don’t want this thread to turn into ‘whataboutism’ or political debate.
what i’d like us to focus on is the chinese auto industry and how big a threat it is to the rest of the auto industry. seems to me that it is a huge threat.
like most of us, i watch videos and read articles. some of which is probably hyperbole or wrong or ai slop, and maybe the threat exaggerated, but chinese companies have no only actually risen in size and abilities in the past decade, they’ve also acquired many ‘traditional’ brands (e.g., volvo by geely).
It has been recently discovered that a lot of high end European clothes, accessories and watches are 95% made in China, and then they are shipped to Europe where they receive finishing touches and "Made in Italy/France/Germany/Switzerland" tags and sold worldwide. I would not be surprised if a lot of this is happening in automotive industry already, as all the cars feel the same and fake. I have a feeling they make a lot of parts in China, and then find loop holes to obscure it and circumvent tariffs/sanctions.
And then BMW, Aprilia and KTM already using Chinese motorcycle manufacturers to make some of their motorcycles in China and then sell them worldwide. With the regulation and energy crisis decimating European manufacturers, I won't be surprised if they will partner up with Chinese companies like BYD to manufacture their lower end models and then sell them in the West.
Also, many brands have left Russia because of the sanctions, and it was a substantial piece of the pie to lose. I wonder if any of them will quietly try and regain this market by selling rebadged versions of their cars under Chinese brands.
It has been recently discovered that a lot of high end European clothes, accessories and watches are 95% made in China, and then they are shipped to Europe where they receive finishing touches and "Made in Italy/France/Germany/Switzerland" tags and sold worldwide. I would not be surprised if a lot of this is happening in automotive industry already, as all the cars feel the same and fake. I have a feeling they make a lot of parts in China, and then find loop holes to obscure it and circumvent tariffs/sanctions.
And then BMW, Aprilia and KTM already using Chinese motorcycle manufacturers to make some of their motorcycles in China and then sell them worldwide. With the regulation and energy crisis decimating European manufacturers, I won't be surprised if they will partner up with Chinese companies like BYD to manufacture their lower end models and then sell them in the West.
Also, many brands have left Russia because of the sanctions, and it was a substantial piece of the pie to lose. I wonder if any of them will quietly try and regain this market by selling rebadged versions of their cars under Chinese brands.
It's very much a thing......a lot of parts are not made where they claim to be based on casting marks and ground off primary branding.
It's great if you can confirm it's the real deal but for stuff that IS made in Germany for example prices have gotten much much higher relative to the Chinese made/stamp brand on it finishing work type stuff.
It's annoying for other items, for a lot of things I own I make sure the factory is here in the US and I've walked 5 of them myself so I know their stuff 100% goes in as raw metal on one end and product out on the other.
