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Old Dec 29, 2022 | 04:34 AM
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Originally Posted by peteharvey
Apparently, this factor below is at play too.
Gone are the days when Teslas had great resale values.

Prices Of Used Teslas Drop Way Faster Than Those Of Other Brands (insideevs.com)
as much as previously we had too much for reality positive media about Tesla, now we have too much negative news which are not the reality.
Tesla's still hold their values like crazy while other EVs you will have hard time reselling at all.

Good example is end of that article and screenshot of someone complaining how 2019 M3 SR+ with 55k miles is now $33k, a $5k drop. That damn thing did not cost $40k when brand new. 3 years later it should be a $20k vehicle if not for Tesla + crazy used prices.

And yes, with Teslas rising production, why in the world would you overpay for used one? Their crazy resale value will continue to drop to match rest of the industry + Tesla factor since they are producing millions of vehicles now. Heck their next year plan will likely be around 1.8m vehicles or more, that is slowly but surely encroaching BMW/MB worldwide sales.
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while the price of tesla stock has been very high for a long time, so a 'fall' was inevitable at some point, i don't think it has anything to do with 'weakness' of tesla, yet.

they're lowering production costs. they're ramping up production of the new bigger batteries, they still have the best charging network. there's some headwinds, and musk's twitter adventure doesn't help, but i think '23 will likely be an even bigger year for tesla. one concern i have is byd in china... they seem to be cranking. ford, gm, others still shipping in pretty tiny numbers.

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Old Dec 29, 2022 | 05:40 AM
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The Plaid's have dropped this past year but that is no different than any flagship car. I've noticed over the years that any flagship or expensive model from a manufacturer typically drops like a rock probably because the market is much smaller. My Plaid has dropped in value over $30k since I bought it but I didn't expect it to hold its value anyway. For anyone looking for a Plaid the deals for a low mileage one are pretty good right now.
Old Dec 29, 2022 | 06:02 AM
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Unlike many Tech stocks that admit they've never turned a profit and are basically a "Paper Tiger" (ponzi scheme in my opinion),,, -> Tesla has a real product. Just ideas.
Old Dec 29, 2022 | 06:20 AM
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I am not concerned about Tesla long term, but they’re having a little bit of a moment right now and Musk has a lot to do with it (as usual)
Old Dec 29, 2022 | 08:09 AM
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I'd like to personally thank all the people that panicked and sold off their Tesla shares I was able to pick up more at a steep discount.
Old Dec 29, 2022 | 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by LeX2K
I'd like to personally thank all the people that panicked and sold off their Tesla shares I was able to pick up more at a steep discount.
If I could I would buy some right now for sure given how low the price is right now.
Old Dec 29, 2022 | 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by LeX2K
I'd like to personally thank all the people that panicked and sold off their Tesla shares I was able to pick up more at a steep discount.
I didn't panic, but I realized we were at a high and sold off most of mine, and I was right. I would and will buy more.
Old Dec 29, 2022 | 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by LeX2K
I'd like to personally thank all the people that panicked and sold off their Tesla shares I was able to pick up more at a steep discount.
Originally Posted by patgilm
If I could I would buy some right now for sure given how low the price is right now.


What many people don't realize is there is money to be made when stocks go UP -and- when stocks DOWN.
Just takes some skill to ignore the circus cuz it's a distraction to lead the suckers to always be playing defense. lolol
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Exactly, if you buy a stock and never sell it you never make any money lol
Old Dec 29, 2022 | 08:50 AM
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Tesla is far better equipped to fight a recession than for example Toyota. Tesla can drastically drop prices and still make a profit legacy auto is not so lucky in fact if Tesla really wanted to they could squeeze the living crap out of every other auto maker.

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Toyota will have no issues turning a profit either
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
Toyota will have no issues turning a profit either
They have shrinking margins and $180 billion in long term debt. Toyota has yet to invest any significant cash into EVs they will have to do this while their sales numbers and hence cash flow drops.

Tesla has 3x margin of Toyota even though they have 2 factories that have barely started to ramp.
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Originally Posted by LeX2K
They have shrinking margins and $180 billion in long term debt. Toyota has yet to invest any significant cash into EVs they will have to do this while their sales numbers and hence cash flow drops.

Tesla has 3x margin of Toyota even though they have 2 factories that have barely started to ramp.
Toyota is going to be fine
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
Exactly, if you buy a stock and never sell it you never make any money lol
True words.
I've been following stocks for 30 years and have heard it rumored the biggest shareholders have "stolen" $$$Trillions of dollars from the millions of little guys with their circus.

Originally Posted by LeX2K
Tesla is far better equipped to fight a recession than for example Toyota. Tesla can drastically drop prices and still make a profit legacy auto is not so lucky in fact if Tesla really wanted to they could squeeze the living crap out of every other auto maker.
How low ya'll think Tesla stock will go until it hits bottom or ya'll think we're already there and just idling?
My prediction(which means nothing of course, just a guess) is when the "winds change" aka the "media backs off musk and any negative publicity of Tesla" as they push and rally the "perceived" stock value back up to meet it's real value.
Just ideas and guesses...

PS- Lex2k- what you think is your prediction about Tesla either partnering or gobbling up other car mfg's that don't "cut the mustard" and could be facing bankruptcy in the future?
Such as once popular brands or models resurrected as a spin off from Tesla?

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