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Old Jul 26, 2019 | 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by 4TehNguyen
youre probably right since most Z06 owners never tracked the most track capable corvette at the time. Its irrelevant to them. GM probably made a calculated decision with this. A thread with 5500 responses and 650k views thats been stickied for several years, class action lawsuits doesn't sound like a small amount. They openly joke there not to buy the automatic if you want to track. How this made it past GM testing is beyond me. I guess you forgot the Z06 also going down during the motor trend head 2 head test with Randy when it was going against the viper. That was embarrassing. Did you know the C7Z design temperature for ambient is only 86 deg for tracking, and this is for the manual transmission. Meaning the auto is even lower than that. That is an utter joke of a cooling system design temperature. It gets much warmer than this at many tracks especially the pavement temps.

https://www.corvetteforum.com/articl...heating-issue/

still overheating after the "fix" It is not early production ones.
https://driving.ca/chevrolet/corvett...ting-corvettes
meh Z06 automatic drivers/buyers deserve the overheat, LOL!

on the flip side, sucks that the C8 isn't being offered (yet) with a manual.

from your post...

The new eight-speed automatic gives us a chance to put more automatic transmission customers on the track. Because there is some lack of clarity around the true capability of each of the transmissions, this question gives us the opportunity to publish some guidelines:
  • The Z06 Manual is designed to keep engine oil, coolant, transmission and differential fluids below the hot warning targets when driven by a professional on a 30°Cday (86°F) on a “typical” racetrack for an indefinite period of time (effectively the time to burn through a full tank of fuel). Our team validates the durability of the Z06 cooling systems with a 24-hour accumulated track test to simulate the most aggressive track-day usage by our customers.
  • We designate our track: the Milford Road Course, as the “typical” standard, but recognize there are tracks around the world that are easier on a cooling system, and some that are harder on a cooling system. Generally speaking, tighter tracks with lower average speed and higher sustained RPM, will drive higher fluid system temperatures.
  • Higher-temperature ambient conditions affect all cars’ abilities to run sustained laps at ten-tenths.
  • The Z06 Automatic transmission put in “Drive” selects the lowest-possible gear ratio for the best acceleration, and because it has eight closely-spaced ratios, it typically runs higher-average RPM than the manual. This optimizes lap time performance, but also taxes the engine oil and coolant more for any given track. So the automatic has the capability to run faster laps than the manual, but thermal limitations are reached more quickly. Customers who are planning to run extended track-day sessions at “professional” speeds, are advised to go with the manual transmission, or to paddle shift the automatic and select higher gears when conditions warrant it.
  • Any time the maximum recommended temperatures are reached in any condition, the DIC will give warnings at the appropriate time for coolant, oil or transmission fluid. A cool-down lap or two will bring operating temperatures back to a reasonable level, and aggressive track driving can be resumed.
Some may wonder why we don’t design to higher temperatures — say 110 degrees — to accommodate southern tracks in the summer. We have used the “pro driver at 86 degrees” criteria for generations of Corvettes, and for the vast majority of customers, it has resulted in excellent performance for their usage.

If we designed to higher-temperature criteria, we would have to add a lot of cooling hardware, which drives mass up, and perhaps more importantly, you have to feed the system with more air, which has a huge impact on appearance and aerodynamic drag. Like most aspects of car design, the challenge is in finding the best balance of conflicting requirements.

The forum seems pretty pleased with his answer as well. Even the track-warrior Z06 customers with automatics are less upset than I expected. For a forum that overheats as easily as the new Z06, I am blown away by the amount of calm I’m seeing.

Anyway, this thread isn't about ANY C7, its about the glorious C8
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Old Jul 26, 2019 | 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by bagwell
on the flip side, sucks that the C8 isn't being offered (yet) with a manual.
i thought i read there won't be a stick c8. good riddance, a car with that much power can't be driven very well with a stick.
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Old Jul 26, 2019 | 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
i thought i read there won't be a stick c8. good riddance, a car with that much power can't be driven very well with a stick.
So I guess they bring back the stick for 991.2 GT3 (500hp) by popular demand just for the "stick transmission posers" ?
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Old Jul 26, 2019 | 09:33 AM
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I’m sure they’ll be great aftermarket support for the engine. I wonder how difficult the car will be to work on with the mid-engine configuration.
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Old Jul 26, 2019 | 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
i thought i read there won't be a stick c8. good riddance, a car with that much power can't be driven very well with a stick.
a car with 495 hp cant be driven well with a stick? 495 isnt that much power nowadays. Sure it's not as fast shifting as a DCT but "cant be driven very well" is a bit of a stretch
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Old Jul 26, 2019 | 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
4TehNguyen - thanks we got your point (many times), you think Corvettes suck and GM sucks by making them so they overheat if they're actually driven.
I'd be more concerned about the mid-engine version being susceptible to overheating than the front-engines.....engines back behind the driver are traditionally harder to cool because, even with side-intakes or slots in the engine cover, they are usually cut off from more of the cooling air-flow and depend more strictly on the radiator and water-pump.
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Old Jul 26, 2019 | 11:48 AM
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I would LOVE to see Cadillac come out with a mid-engine version of the new C8. More premium materials and the 4.2 Blackwing would be awesome.

XLR 2.0!
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Old Jul 26, 2019 | 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Hoovey2411
I would LOVE to see Cadillac come out with a mid-engine version of the new C8. More premium materials and the 4.2 Blackwing would be awesome.
I understand what you're saying, but that might (?) be a hard sell to Cadillac management. They tried doing a Corvette spin-off before (the XLR roadster), not to mention the two-seat Cadillac Allante....and both were sales-flops.
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Old Jul 26, 2019 | 12:33 PM
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I understand what you're saying, but that might (?) be a hard sell to Cadillac management. They tried doing a Corvette spin-off before (the XLR roadster), not to mention the two-seat Cadillac Allante....and both were sales-flops.
Which is what I said. XLR 2.0. and you cut off my quote.

Either way, they could use a halo car. Their V brand is a mess
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Old Jul 26, 2019 | 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by RNM GS3
I like how GM lets the car start up and people in it ahead of the launch. All the specs were announced which was nice to see as well.
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Old Jul 26, 2019 | 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Hoovey2411
Which is what I said. XLR 2.0. and you cut off my quote.

Either way, they could use a halo car. Their V brand is a mess
Sorry about the cut-off. But at least you remember the XLR and its sales-flop. Many people don't.
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Old Jul 26, 2019 | 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Sorry about the cut-off. But at least you remember the XLR and its sales-flop. Many people don't.
i test drove an xlr years ago at a car event (small autocross, etc.) and was seriously disappointed. it had the active suspension (which i was very excited to try) and certainly handled very well, but the engine didn't feel special and the interior was cheesy. but i also drove an SL500 with active suspension which was just mind-boggling.
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Old Jul 27, 2019 | 05:42 AM
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New convertible Corvette finds its way to debut in a GM video.




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Old Jul 27, 2019 | 11:57 AM
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The next trim for the corvette will have the 4.2 blackwing engine, which is just a rumor but alot of good sources will say its true.
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Old Jul 27, 2019 | 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by shadow1118
The next trim for the corvette will have the 4.2 blackwing engine, which is just a rumor but alot of good sources will say its true.
That would be nice to see. C8.R track edition maybe?
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