mmarshall

I you think the CR-V is lacking inside, have you seen the base version of the RAV-4? Its interior, though admittedly somewhat better-styled than the previous generation, reminds one almost of cardboard.

tex2670

No, because I would never get the base version of the RAV4. The Limited is really nice inside, and that is the version I would consider if I wanted a RAV4; which is what would be more comparable to the CR-V Touring I drove. And I also didn't look at the CR-V LX, so I have no idea how that interior stacks up either.

We get it--you don't like the RAV4 base version.

LeX2K

I get the distinct feeling he hates Toyota in general.

Toys4RJill

A base Rav4 is definitely not the car to compare against the NX. Naturally a loaded Rav4 and a base or some optioned out NX. I am for sure not a fan of the base RAV4, but it is just not the car to discuss when talking a comparison of the Rav4

bitkahuna

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oops, maybe cr-v not tops in sales, but was basing it on ratings... and i see the cr-v and cx5 are tied for first.

https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/...s/compact-suvs

mmarshall

True, but one of the points (among several) that was being discussed in the thread is why or how the RAV-4 got the numbers it did.....whether it included fleet-sales or not. Even without fleet-sales, it is obvious that this is an extremely popular vehicle, and that many people are attracted to it like a magnet.

tex2670

Right. I'd definitely lean toward a RAV4 Limited vs a new NX. But I'd probably go 3-year old well-equipped NX vs RAV4 LE or even XLE.

situman

The new RAV4 is quite disappointing to be honest. I was expecting a bit more in terms of refinement. From all the youtube videos, that thing is noisy and the loud engine doesnt help either.

JDR76

I spent the yesterday with my parents' RAV4. I put a ceramic coating on it.

I continue to be impressed by this car. I have not checked out the lower trim levels, only my parents' RAV4, which is a Limited Hybrid.

Here are a few more observations:

- Interior is just a massive improvement over the outgoing model. Feels substantially larger and more interesting design. Nice touches all over the place.
- Headlights turn on when the wipers are on. Finally, Toyota.
- Love all of the cameras, especially the rearview mirror.
- All 4 doors have exterior door lock sensors, and all 4 windows are one touch up/down.
- If you are using the HVAC in recirculation mode, it will open the vents to fresh air when you turn the car off. Should help to prevent musty smells.
- First Toyota where I have noticed that they include an S Flow mode on HVAC. Could just be that I am unaware, though. I'd only previously seen it with Lexus.
- As with most (all?) new Toyota Hybrids, the sound it makes while in reverse is horrendous. Absolutely awful. Sounds like it's going to explode.
- Disappointed that they gave it halogen fog lights, which look incredibly yellow next to the bright white LED headlights.
- Seats are super comfortable.
- Rear storage area is huge.

They are up to almost 1k miles on it and have only filled it up with gas twice. They are averaging 43 mpg, beating the EPA estimate. They are very happy with it.

mmarshall

Even without that feature, the DRLs are on continuously anyway, as long as the transmission is in gear. In a number of years, I have never had a cop say anything to me about the DRLs not satisfying the headlights-on-with-wiper law...neither has anyone else I know.

From what I can tell, most vehicles do that anyway when the climate-system is turned off.


I'd rather have the halogens. They give me all the light at night I need, even in dark/unlit areas, and are a lot easier and cheaper to replace than the newer, more exotic systems.

43 MPG does sound good. Is it a plug-in Hybrid? A plug-in, of course, minimizes the need for the gas engine to run for battery-recharging.

tex2670

Thanks--great info.

Any feedback on engine refinement? The gas version has taken a lot of flak for being noisy and unrefined; but I have not yet seen a full road review on the hybrid version to see if this complaint applies as well.

tex2670

Be real; no cop is going to pull you over and get rained on because you don't have your headlights on. During the day, I agree that DRLs are enough to make your car more visible in rain/down pours. But your tail lights are not on if you only rely on DRLs; so headlights should be on in rain, snow, fog.

JDR76

Yes, DRLs are still on, but they do nothing to add visibility at the rear of the car. I like to have my lights on in the rain because it also turns on the tails. In rainy conditions, I want the car behind me to see me as early as possible.
Interesting. I've never seen this on another car. My GS and Highlander do not do it.


We'll disagree on that. The halogens don't put out much light and will very possibly need replacement at some point. LEDs can easily last the life of the car.

Nope, just a regular hybrid.

LeX2K

Fog lamps are supposed to be yellow the more blue you get the less visibility. As for Toyota using halogens I find this inexcusable but should be an easy LED upgrade.
That's fantastic.

Toys4RJill

What is S Flow for the HVAC?