Luxury sedan sales for March 2019
04-11-19, 06:34 AM
#181
Lexus Fanatic
The people who defend the LS, would be curious how many of them %-wise have driven it?
Again, I draw an analogy. When I got the 1998 Maxima, I wanted the 2000 model to be a further step in the direction of being a legit 4DSC. Yet it was more of the same, really ugly from the rear, and ultimately the Maxima marque utterly collapsed as such in 2004. I would say it's 2004 for the LS. And we as human beings always seem to get into the "you only like the one you have and are sour grapes about the newer one." Not really I would say the 3rd gen Maxima was the best, it had an independent rear, was lighter, and yes timing belt on the V6 but maybe a better iteration of the motor (although they all went 400k+ like it's nothing).
On the LS? I would say 2nd gen or 3rd gen is best.
Again, I draw an analogy. When I got the 1998 Maxima, I wanted the 2000 model to be a further step in the direction of being a legit 4DSC. Yet it was more of the same, really ugly from the rear, and ultimately the Maxima marque utterly collapsed as such in 2004. I would say it's 2004 for the LS. And we as human beings always seem to get into the "you only like the one you have and are sour grapes about the newer one." Not really I would say the 3rd gen Maxima was the best, it had an independent rear, was lighter, and yes timing belt on the V6 but maybe a better iteration of the motor (although they all went 400k+ like it's nothing).
On the LS? I would say 2nd gen or 3rd gen is best.
04-11-19, 06:38 AM
#183
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Thread Starter
Yep.
If I want luxury with sport, there are better options.
If I want over-the-top luxury, there are better options.
If I want luxury with snob appeal, there are better options.
If I want luxury that is at a bargain price, there are better options.
It's as if Lexus perfectly designed the car that is almost everybody's second or third choice. And since a lot of these cars are leased, they almost all stay under factory warranty for the entire length of original ownership. So, reliability and repair costs aren't really that much of a factor any more to these types of buyers.
If I want luxury with sport, there are better options.
If I want over-the-top luxury, there are better options.
If I want luxury with snob appeal, there are better options.
If I want luxury that is at a bargain price, there are better options.
It's as if Lexus perfectly designed the car that is almost everybody's second or third choice. And since a lot of these cars are leased, they almost all stay under factory warranty for the entire length of original ownership. So, reliability and repair costs aren't really that much of a factor any more to these types of buyers.
04-11-19, 06:40 AM
#184
Lexus Fanatic
Yep.
If I want luxury with sport, there are better options.
If I want over-the-top luxury, there are better options.
If I want luxury with snob appeal, there are better options.
If I want luxury that is at a bargain price, there are better options.
It's as if Lexus perfectly designed the car that is almost everybody's second or third choice. And since a lot of these cars are leased, they almost all stay under factory warranty for the entire length of original ownership. So, reliability and repair costs aren't really that much of a factor any more to these types of buyers.
If I want luxury with sport, there are better options.
If I want over-the-top luxury, there are better options.
If I want luxury with snob appeal, there are better options.
If I want luxury that is at a bargain price, there are better options.
It's as if Lexus perfectly designed the car that is almost everybody's second or third choice. And since a lot of these cars are leased, they almost all stay under factory warranty for the entire length of original ownership. So, reliability and repair costs aren't really that much of a factor any more to these types of buyers.
04-11-19, 06:55 AM
#186
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You are incorrect and have it exactly backwards... the issue is constant and repetitive negative comments are NOT welcome there. We absolutely welcome contrary viewpoints and concerns from members genuinely interested in the vehicle, but when the same negative diatribe just keep getting stated over and over, it is trolling, counter productive and destroys the sense of community for the 5LS owners.
At the end of the day, the 5LS forum is for 5LS owners and prospective owners to talk and learn about their cars, not for people to drive by just to make recurring posts about why they don't like it.
If you want to discus this topic further, PM me and let's have a chat about it. Otherwise, let's get this thread back on topic.
04-11-19, 06:56 AM
#187
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04-11-19, 06:57 AM
#188
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04-11-19, 07:01 AM
#189
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Thread Starter
Then they should have gone that direction with the LC and left the LS in the traditional luxury car market. Instead, now they have 2 cars in no-man's land selling poorly.
04-11-19, 10:49 AM
#190
Lexus Fanatic
You could be right. But I think a lot of people overestimate the market for a traditional style Lexus LS. I think there is no market for either LS (now watch how fast people defend not cancelling the LS). This will be the last sedan LS IMO.
04-11-19, 11:11 AM
#192
Lexus Fanatic
A 2009 model back in 2010. But truth be told, which I think people have a hard time accepting (so many examples), is what I think, and they as well, it makes zero difference. What matters is those who do own one, and how they feel about it. The lease vs. buy is one of those. Who cares what Suze or Dave Ramsay think if the person leasing is happy (although I take their positions).
If I go out and buy a Supra? I've invalidated the opinions of naysayers in a literal sense. They could be 100% correct, and likely are, but if I'm happy, that's all that matters.
Folks that love Lexus and insist it's on the same level as Mercedes and BMW and Porsche and Audi, who are they hurting if we simply let them feel that way?
If I go out and buy a Supra? I've invalidated the opinions of naysayers in a literal sense. They could be 100% correct, and likely are, but if I'm happy, that's all that matters.
Folks that love Lexus and insist it's on the same level as Mercedes and BMW and Porsche and Audi, who are they hurting if we simply let them feel that way?
04-11-19, 11:14 AM
#193
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A 2009 model back in 2010. But truth be told, which I think people have a hard time accepting (so many examples), is what I think, and they as well, it makes zero difference. What matters is those who do own one, and how they feel about it. The lease vs. buy is one of those. Who cares what Suze or Dave Ramsay think if the person leasing is happy (although I take their positions).
If I go out and buy a Supra? I've invalidated the opinions of naysayers in a literal sense. They could be 100% correct, and likely are, but if I'm happy, that's all that matters.
Folks that love Lexus and insist it's on the same level as Mercedes and BMW and Porsche and Audi, who are they hurting if we simply let them feel that way?
If I go out and buy a Supra? I've invalidated the opinions of naysayers in a literal sense. They could be 100% correct, and likely are, but if I'm happy, that's all that matters.
Folks that love Lexus and insist it's on the same level as Mercedes and BMW and Porsche and Audi, who are they hurting if we simply let them feel that way?
I initially asked because you were asking how many people here praising the 5th Gen LS have actually driven one.. It's hard to call a certain generation car your favorite if you haven't driven all generations. We are saying the same thing -
04-11-19, 11:14 AM
#194
Lexus Fanatic
p.s. the stereotype of BMW drivers I think is old, imho there is no valid stereotype. Oddly, that stereotype imho has transferred to a certain German mfg. and also a Japanese one.
04-11-19, 12:50 PM
#195
Lexus Fanatic
I agree. However, Lexus sales were declining at some point because they were known as "boring" Do you remember that?