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Old Mar 15, 2019 | 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by rogerh00
You sound like an old curmugeon. As you state the metic system has been slowly creeping into the USA. I worked for 30 yrs with the metric system in my profession. It's much easier to use once you start using it. I don't think Henry Ford would mind if we switched.
I may not be a Spring Chicken, but I'm not a curmudgeon by any means......just trying to be a realist. I've been around long enough, though, to see what works and what doesn't.
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Old Mar 15, 2019 | 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by tex2670
The Lexus LS 500 no longer has a 5.0 liter engine; the IS 250 no longer has a 2.5 liter engine.
The BMW 330 and 340 don't have 3.3/3.4 liter engines.
The MB C300 doesn't have a 3.0 liter engine.
etc, etc.

Are these brands using underhanded deception?
Not to the extent Cadillac is. Caddy is saying the "400" means 400 torque. Not the case, nor how most Americans will know the rating to be. The other brands using off numbers are no longer making the claim the model title matches the car.
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Old Mar 15, 2019 | 05:09 PM
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Here's a better comparison since there are a couple of posts about the German trio on here.

Audi: Qs - 3, 5, 7, 8.
BMW: Xs - 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7.
MB: GLC - A, C, E, S. Benz of course complicates with 300, 350 etc.

Cadillac went from Deville, Seville, Caterra etc. to STS, DTS and CTS.
Then they added ATS and then dropped it, after which they changed to CT/XT... except they muddied it all with CT6, CT5 (which is the replacement for the CTS, funny how the S and 5 resemble each other). Oh, and then there's the XTS: is it an SUV? No it isn't it's a sedan. Maybe you were looking for the XT5 prospective shopper.

In all of this jumble they have settled on XT/CT but now they want to drop some extra numbers which make no sense to anyone. The guy who messed up Infinti's naming conventions went over to Cadillac and did the same. He is now gone too.
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Old Mar 15, 2019 | 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
......just trying to be a realist. I've been around long enough, though, to see what works and what doesn't.
The metric system is a far superior system compared to what is current used in the US. The US should change it.
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Originally Posted by Fizzboy7
Not to the extent Cadillac is. Caddy is saying the "400" means 400 torque. Not the case, nor how most Americans will know the rating to be. The other brands using off numbers are no longer making the claim the model title matches the car.
Meh. Caddy has a spec sheet that says exactly how much torque the car has. Most people buying the car are going to think their car has 400 HP anyway; and if it said "362" on the badge, they'd think their car had 362 HP. Marketing mission accomplished.
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Old Mar 15, 2019 | 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by tex2670
Meh. Caddy has a spec sheet that says exactly how much torque the car has. Most people buying the car are going to think their car has 400 HP anyway; and if it said "362" on the badge, they'd think their car had 362 HP. Marketing mission accomplished.

The top non-V version of the CT6, with the 3.0TT V6, does have 400 HP......and around 400 ft-lbs. of torque.
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Old Mar 15, 2019 | 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
The metric system is a far superior system compared to what is current used in the US. The US should change it
I respect your opinion, but don't agree. With some exceptions, like on engine-size, we've gotten along just fine with English measurements in the American auto industry. Why do we have to change just because some people overseas think their Metric system is better? We aren't trying to tell them to change. Let them have what they want in their countries.....we'll use what we want inside American borders.
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
I respect your opinion, but don't agree. With some exceptions, like on engine-size, we've gotten along just fine with English measurements in the American auto industry. Why do we have to change just because some people overseas think their Metric system is better? We aren't trying to tell them to change. Let them have what they want in their countries.....we'll use what we want inside American borders.
You should look into more. There are tremendous benefits in great ways for the US to change over to the metric system.

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Why do we have to change just because some people overseas think their Metric system is better?
Its the entire world aside for 3 countries that still use the bizarre system the US still uses.
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Old Mar 15, 2019 | 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
You should look into more. There are tremendous benefits in great ways for the US to change over to the metric system.



Its the entire world aside for 3 countries that still use the bizarre system the US still uses.

So......what would we do at a NFL game?

"Okay, folks, it's second down and 2.12455 meters to go for a first down?



or........

"Alright, Maggots....get moving. You're going to run 8.61152 kilometers today!"



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Old Mar 15, 2019 | 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
So......what would we do at a NFL game?

"Okay, folks, it's second down and 2.12455 meters to go for a first down?



or........

"Alright, Maggots....get moving. You're going to run 8.61152 kilometers today!"

These are great reasons why the US won't change to metric. Not why English measurements are better than metric.

Quick--without searching:

How many inches in a yard?
How many feet in a mile?
How many cups in a gallon?

With the metric system, all you do is multiply by 10s.
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
"Alright, Maggots....get moving. You're going to run 8.61152 kilometers today!"

I assume you were unaware that the US military actually uses the metric system in most (many) of the US military operations.

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. You're going to run 8.61152 kilometers today!"
Which is 5.35 miles.

Anyways, we are off topic and I can tell you are not taking this discussion seriously and you are unaware of the benefits of concerting to the metric system. We are off topic as its not related to cars, so I am going to move on.

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Old Mar 15, 2019 | 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by tex2670
These are great reasons why the US won't change to metric.
Which is all I was saying in the first place.

Not why English measurements are better than metric.
True.....each country should decide that for itself. Long ago, that decision was made in tis country, although they screwed it up somewhat in the 1970s.

Quick--without searching:
OK, without peeking...........

How many inches in a yard? 36
How many feet in a mile? 5280
How many cups in a gallon? (don't remember offhand...but I think 8)

With the metric system, all you do is multiply by 10s.
I'm aware of that. I went to school.
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
I assume you were unaware that the US military actually uses the metric system in most (many) of the US military operations.



Which is 5.35 miles.

I was using that as an arbitrary, not exact figure, to make a point.
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Originally Posted by tex2670
These are great reasons why the US won't change to metric. Not why English measurements are better than metric.
If the US aligns with the rest of the world, there is no more converting. No more errors. No more needing to learn either or if you enter the US or leave the US.

Technically the US is halfway to metric. Science and medicine are already there. US federal agencies are supposed to use metric when applicable.

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Old Mar 15, 2019 | 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Fizzboy7
Not to the extent Cadillac is. Caddy is saying the "400" means 400 torque. Not the case, nor how most Americans will know the rating to be.
As I mentioned earlier, one of the options on the CT6 is a 3.0 twin turbo V6 with 400 HP and around 400 ft-lbs. of torque, so I don't see a problem if Caddy uses the 400 ident on that vehicle.
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