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Old 01-09-19, 11:35 AM
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How does having the cupholders in front of the stereo unit an issue? I don't think I've ever touched one button on the stereo unit, everything is controlled through the buttons on the steering wheel...
Simply my opinion, but I HATE where the cup holders are now. I prefer the layout from pre-2013 model years. All has to do with that stupid mouse that again, IN MY OPINION, is a step back from the touch screen.

As for Lexus and technology. I have been a Lexus customer since 1998, I have never known Lexus to be a company that leads on technology. Every Lexus I have ever owned has been short on gadgets and features based on the competition. And except for a time maybe around 2001-2003 their infotainment has always been behind, since there was infotainment.

infotainment has never been a strong suit of this brand- agreed. ML stereo used be be fantastic, but now dumbed down and not worth it. Toyota/Lexus does not update their tech quickly enough IMO. I know people that upgraded to new vehicles, simply because Apple Car Play was offered in a new version. To some people. It’s all about the tech and less about the actual car and driving characteristics. Most of my friends and coworkers are getting into a new car every 3-4 years, simply to get the latest and greatest in gadgetry.


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Old 01-09-19, 01:26 PM
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Where is the hard button for the LS460? Yes, all the others should be shamed as well for not having a button to turn it off. A touch screen button or hard button is the same IMO.
There's an off button right next to the auto button.

Its just not a control most people use regularly or at all, and thus its removed in an effort to reduce button clutter.

Whats the difference between touching a button with your finger and touching a button with a cursor?

You can also just say "turn air conditioning off" and it turns off.
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Old 01-09-19, 02:24 PM
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Relentless pursuit of perfection is long gone. Still a great company overall, but other automakers have caught up. Toyota/Lexus taking their foot off the pedal.
Yes Lexus is falling behind with innovations, they are in the Relentless pursuit of keeping up with the Kardashians. Mechanically, they haven't spend much in R&D over the last 10 years, they are still using the same old 3.5 V6 from 10 years back, and the 4 cylinder engines are borrowed from the Toyota lineup. The billion dollar R&D V8 engine from the LS era has been dropped.

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Old 01-09-19, 02:38 PM
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....as expected lets flame the OP, and then the OP unleashes the next set of qualms against TMCo.

The current setup sucks....RTI or Remote Mouse///Fine. Its a great idea, meant to differentiate itself from the clicky controller setup everyone else went with after with BMWs Idrive.

Yes, you can train the system, and fix up the initial shortcomings, heck Toyota finally is launching carplay etc etc...however the same journos we claim to be bias, probably spent equal parts of time in each vehicle. and If those other vehicles are easier out of the box, then yes then those metrics arent really flawed, all they represent is that the Lexus interface needs fine tuning and does not work out of the box, just like all 2019 models before October production for carplay (lol). Plus, most delivery specialists dont really touch too much on the fine tuning bits of RTI.

However Lexus could care less...its not like sales have been impacted in any way possible for them to give this a second look. Most owners probably just pull up their phone and deal with it.
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Old 01-09-19, 02:43 PM
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Clearly you haven't experienced the latest Remote Touch which regained it's side enter buttons, and the second generation RTI track pad on Gen10 equipped vehicles which is worlds better than the clunky first generation. It's by no means perfect, but it does it's job. Plus for the most part there are voice commands or physical buttons for most things.

If it makes you feel better. Lexus will overhaul their infotainment system and include touchscreen again supposedly around the time the next generation 5RX comes to fruition.
Yes I have used RTI, still not very good. Mind you decades ago, I used to game professionally and I have no problem with hand - eye co-ordination. Now I am in a office job, and I hate the feeling of being back in the office again once I enter into a modern car with screens and computer controls. Buttons will come back in a big way.

Even this Toyota 1985 EMV beats RTI from 34 years go.







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Yes, you can train the system, and fix up the initial shortcomings, .
Agreed. Yes that was my point of the quote from their own brochures. Technology should be hidden away and not in your face, it should be intuitive. It shouldn't take more than 30mins to learn how to use the most basic stuff you need to do in your car once you drive it off for the first time. If it takes such a big learning curve, the technology has failed. If Toyota was a technology company, it would have dropped off the radar already.
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Somehow I use mine everyday with no issues. I guess Iím some kind of genius or something lol

Absolutely takes no more than 30 minutes to learn to use Lexus system.
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Old 01-09-19, 03:11 PM
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I like my naturally aspirated V6. I don't want a twin turbo.
I really don't care when it was designed.
If others want that, there's places to go get that.

Other brands may have more cutting edge (or bleeding edge) tech. But rarely the reliability.
There are few products in the economy that are both cutting edge and highly reliable.
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Lexus system is so hilariously bad, I'll never touch the brand with a 9 foot pole. Not to mention their entire product line is mediocre at best.
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Lexus system is so hilariously bad, I'll never touch the brand with a 9 foot pole. Not to mention their entire product line is mediocre at best.


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Old 01-09-19, 05:21 PM
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Yet, you can remote touch your way to turn off the AC in the a Lexus. Its a cost cutting method by Lexus.
You mean turn off the system, or turn off the A/C so that just the fan is blowing? Because if it's the latter, I'm not sure who does this, especially with auto climate control.

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Why aren't you discussing the fact that there is no hard A/C compressor button in Audis, Mercedes, uConnect equipped Mopar vehicles, Land Rovers, Jaguars, etc? The reason there's no hard button is its meant to be a very seldom used if ever used button. My LS460 has a hard button. Never use it.
My BMW has an A/C button--I've never touched it in 4 years. Same with every car I've had in the past 20 years.
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Originally Posted by scooky View Post
I like my naturally aspirated V6. I don't want a twin turbo.
I really don't care when it was designed.
If others want that, there's places to go get that.

Other brands may have more cutting edge (or bleeding edge) tech. But rarely the reliability.
There are few products in the economy that are both cutting edge and highly reliable.
I'm not going to try and talk you into a turbo engine. But if you don't want one because you think that turbos are unreliable, then your thinking is a bit out of date. There are so many of them now because their reliability has been proven on par with a naturally aspirated engine; if not, manufactures would be taking a big hit on warranty claims.
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Originally Posted by SW17LS View Post
Why aren't you discussing the fact that there is no hard A/C compressor button in Audis, Mercedes, uConnect equipped Mopar vehicles, Land Rovers, Jaguars, etc? The reason there's no hard button is its meant to be a very seldom used if ever used button. My LS460 has a hard button. Never use it.
actually there is a physical AC button on all Mercedes. I think Mb figured it all out. Physical buttons for Climate with nothing in the screen except to control fragrance and ionization.
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There's an off button right next to the auto button.

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Thats the fan off button
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You mean turn off the system, or turn off the A/C so that just the fan is blowing? Because if it's the latter, I'm not sure who does thiS
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The AC. I turn my AC off all the time. I also never ever use my auto climate control in my 4Runner. I absolutely despise auto climate control.
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