GM closing Ontario, Detroit, and Ohio factories
02-03-19, 08:50 PM
#541
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I'll say one thing, Jill. You and I may sometimes disagree, as with Trump/tariffs and on a couple of political and automotive issues. But, in general, I have been impressed with many of your posts, especially in the last year or so, and, IMO, you are one of those on Car Chat who has a pretty good understanding of what is going in the auto industry today, why, and what is likely to happen. You seem to have two good eyes and two good ears......keep using them. 
02-03-19, 09:03 PM
#542
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Thread Starter
Depends on the nature of the parts. For the company referenced in the article, there's no real reason they couldn't get a contract for some as-yet-unnamed electric car. Electric cars still need bumpers just like gas powered and hybrid ones do.
For suppliers of things like valves, manifolds, and PCMs you could be absolutely right.
For suppliers of things like valves, manifolds, and PCMs you could be absolutely right.
I'll say one thing, Jill. You and I may sometimes disagree, as with Trump/tariffs and on a couple of political and automotive issues. But, in general, I have been impressed with many of your posts, especially in the last year or so, and, IMO, you are one of those on Car Chat who has a pretty good understanding of what is going in the auto industry today, why, and what is likely to happen. You seem to have two good eyes and two good ears......keep using them.
02-03-19, 09:32 PM
#543
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https://www.detroitnews.com/story/bu...up/1496364002/
02-03-19, 09:36 PM
#544
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Thread Starter
GM asks Unifor not to run their Super Bowl Ad
https://www.freep.com/story/money/ca...on/2762478002/
http://fortune.com/2019/02/03/gm-uni...wl-commercial/
https://globalnews.ca/news/4920702/g...super-bowl-ad/
https://www.freep.com/story/money/ca...on/2762478002/
http://fortune.com/2019/02/03/gm-uni...wl-commercial/
https://globalnews.ca/news/4920702/g...super-bowl-ad/
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02-04-19, 07:03 AM
#548
Lexus Fanatic
Same with the job market. Rather than fight it, I think everybody should have an alternative in their back pocket. In my grandfather's days, at age 57 or so, a partner was pushed out. Today?
Again, if I'm an autoworker, I have a certain set of skills. Me, I would prepare at age 40 and entertain the possibility that I could be let go, and take my skills and expand them. Remember money managers in 2009 who began delivering pizza? That's extreme, but also a willingness to work. Sometimes I get the feeling that unions are not about working, but about well it's like a class action. Very few get anything out of it, but they get a lot. The rest kind of go along. So if plants are closing, that's reality--what's next for me the worker? I don't think they should rely on TV commercials to solve their problems. As a matter of fact that's a waste of money.
02-04-19, 07:16 AM
#549
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Oversimplifying, the world is a very competitive place--SATs that were borderline Ivy League when I was in 11th grade, are average for Florida State today. A kid should have straight A's to go to a state college or university. Not the case before.
Same with the job market. Rather than fight it, I think everybody should have an alternative in their back pocket. In my grandfather's days, at age 57 or so, a partner was pushed out. Today?
Again, if I'm an autoworker, I have a certain set of skills. Me, I would prepare at age 40 and entertain the possibility that I could be let go, and take my skills and expand them. Remember money managers in 2009 who began delivering pizza? That's extreme, but also a willingness to work. Sometimes I get the feeling that unions are not about working, but about well it's like a class action. Very few get anything out of it, but they get a lot. The rest kind of go along. So if plants are closing, that's reality--what's next for me the worker? I don't think they should rely on TV commercials to solve their problems. As a matter of fact that's a waste of money.
Same with the job market. Rather than fight it, I think everybody should have an alternative in their back pocket. In my grandfather's days, at age 57 or so, a partner was pushed out. Today?
Again, if I'm an autoworker, I have a certain set of skills. Me, I would prepare at age 40 and entertain the possibility that I could be let go, and take my skills and expand them. Remember money managers in 2009 who began delivering pizza? That's extreme, but also a willingness to work. Sometimes I get the feeling that unions are not about working, but about well it's like a class action. Very few get anything out of it, but they get a lot. The rest kind of go along. So if plants are closing, that's reality--what's next for me the worker? I don't think they should rely on TV commercials to solve their problems. As a matter of fact that's a waste of money.
. But, at the same time, when workers give a company years (and often decades of service), often risking harm in the plants from accidents or repetitive-motion injuries to their joints and muscles (which are common in assembly-line work), I think the company owes them a little more than just being numbers on a pink-slip.
02-04-19, 11:04 AM
#550
Lexus Fanatic
That just doesn't make any sense. GM's success is GM's workers' success. If GM looses volume they will just have to close more plants and lay off more workers. GM's employees advocating for a boycott of their own company makes no sense.
02-04-19, 05:52 PM
#552
Lexus Fanatic
Before you throw stones at them, have you ever worked in an auto plant? Despite modern conveniences like cafeterias, air-conditioning, dust-control, etc.....it is still no picnic. The employees (and sometimes managers as well) risk harm or accident every day....that is some seriously powerful machinery in there that can injure or kill. In addition, after months and years of doing essentially the same thing, with the same parts, in the same manner, 8 hours or more a day, one risks repetitive-motion injuries, which can injure or cripple muscles, joints, ligaments, etc..... It's similar to the carpel-tunnel-syndrome from a computer mouse, but on a larger scale.
02-04-19, 06:50 PM
#553
Lexus Fanatic
Before you throw stones at them, have you ever worked in an auto plant? Despite modern conveniences like cafeterias, air-conditioning, dust-control, etc.....it is still no picnic. The employees (and sometimes managers as well) risk harm or accident every day....that is some seriously powerful machinery in there that can injure or kill. In addition, after months and years of doing essentially the same thing, with the same parts, in the same manner, 8 hours or more a day, one risks repetitive-motion injuries, which can injure or cripple muscles, joints, ligaments, etc..... It's similar to the carpel-tunnel-syndrome from a computer mouse, but on a larger scale.
02-04-19, 06:58 PM
#554
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Thread Starter
Before you throw stones at them, have you ever worked in an auto plant? Despite modern conveniences like cafeterias, air-conditioning, dust-control, etc.....it is still no picnic. The employees (and sometimes managers as well) risk harm or accident every day....that is some seriously powerful machinery in there that can injure or kill. In addition, after months and years of doing essentially the same thing, with the same parts, in the same manner, 8 hours or more a day, one risks repetitive-motion injuries, which can injure or cripple muscles, joints, ligaments, etc..... It's similar to the carpel-tunnel-syndrome from a computer mouse, but on a larger scale.
02-04-19, 07:01 PM
#555
Lexus Fanatic
Agreed....steel mills and underground coal mines were some of the worst for worker-safety, but, since they involved different industries, I didn't bring them up in this thread. But, no, those industries, and others, like the UAW, were not unionized for nothing.....conditions demanded it.