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Old Nov 21, 2018 | 06:32 PM
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Quite frankly, almost all my TV consumption is YouTube now. I follow a bunch of car channels, and I sit down at night and watch their latest uploads and by then...I'm ready for bed.

In the last 5-6 months the only things I've watched on actual TV are election coverage and football.

Don't see how its any more fluff than anything else you watch. I really get a kick out of the fact that so many of these guys are just ordinary people. Alex is just a guy who likes reviewing cars, puts a lot of work into his videos clearly. These channels have gotten these ordinary people press access, press cars, etc. I think thats really cool.
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Old Nov 21, 2018 | 06:38 PM
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if you aren't really that interested in a vehicle, you are probably less likely to be watching reviews in the first place, unless you are just an enthusiast like me, and/or want as much relevant information on each one before making a decision. I know you had a tight choice between the Pacifica and Odyssey, and I had a (somewhat) tight choice between the Lacrosse, MKZ, G80 AWD, ES350, and Cadenza.
No, I like watching reviews of a lot of vehicles. I'll watch a 5 minute review of any vehicle, its just that if I'm going to sit down and watch a review for a half hour that goes that in depth, it has to be a car I have a lot of interest in.

I like Alex, TFL Car, Redline Reviews, Roadshow, MotorWeek on YouTube is great, Doug DeMuro, KBB savagegeese, , . Not really reviews but I really like Hoovies Garage, AutoVlog, Vehicle Virgins in small doses. Jay Leno has a great car youtube channel and posts a really enjoyable show once a week or so where he really focuses on a car he likes or one of his cars.

So much great car stuff on there, and I love that so much of it is enthusiast made, and I love how a lot of these guys have turned their passion into a very lucrative living.
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Old Nov 21, 2018 | 06:53 PM
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Quite frankly, almost all my TV consumption is YouTube now. I follow a bunch of car channels, and I sit down at night and watch their latest uploads and by then...I'm ready for bed.

In the last 5-6 months the only things I've watched on actual TV are election coverage and football.

Don't see how its any more fluff than anything else you watch. I really get a kick out of the fact that so many of these guys are just ordinary people. Alex is just a guy who likes reviewing cars, puts a lot of work into his videos clearly. These channels have gotten these ordinary people press access, press cars, etc. I think thats really cool.
Absolutely for sure you make some good points. However, I still put a level of credibility in those who are in printed publication or perhaps those that are picked up by a major cable channel. I always look for printed journalism to go along side the actual You Tube stuff. I am also interested in whether an actual sponsor/advertiser is included. I get that it is nice that these reviewers are just ordinary people who just like cars, and I agree with that, but I also think legit journalistic credibility is important to preserve.
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Old Nov 21, 2018 | 06:55 PM
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Absolutely for sure you make some good points. However, I still put a level of credibility in those who are in printed publication or perhaps those that are picked up by a major cable channel. I always look for printed journalism to go along side the actual You Tube stuff. I am also interested in whether an actual sponsor/advertiser is included. I get that it is nice that these reviewers are just ordinary people who just like cars, and I agree with that, but I also think legit journalistic credibility is important to preserve.
Truly, I enjoy the enthusiast reviews with a high production quality way better than the "professional reviews". Its interesting to me that the enthusiast reviewers have way more subscribers than MotorTrend, Cars.com, etc.

Can't remember the last time I even picked up a car magazine. Its a shame, but its a dying thing.
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Absolutely for sure you make some good points. However, I still put a level of credibility in those who are in printed publication or perhaps those that are picked up by a major cable channel. I always look for printed journalism to go along side the actual You Tube stuff. I am also interested in whether an actual sponsor/advertiser is included. I get that it is nice that these reviewers are just ordinary people who just like cars, and I agree with that, but I also think legit journalistic credibility is important to preserve.
Part of the problem with traditional journalism, though, is that, at least in my opinion, it puts too much power in the hands of editors, owners, and managers....who sometimes worry more about image than substance. That is one reason why I myself never wanted to work for an auto magazine...and I turned down an offer, several years ago, from one local newspaper to write a regular auto column.
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Can't remember the last time I even picked up a car magazine. Its a shame, but its a dying thing.
Most magazines are available online, if they don’t have the additional print, I find that disappointing . I also do find the you tubers very interesting and more entertaining than most. I just don’t find Alex all that interesting. I do like Doug Demuro as well as Leno. Not really a fan of Red Line Reviews.

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I just don’t find Alex all that interesting.
OK, well, if that is your opinion, then so be it.......we'll respect it. But I don't know where you're going to find another reviewer as thorough....Good Luck.

And, don't forget, if Alex is not that interesting, it's not about him, or any other reviewer. It's about the vehicle. And Alex talks about the vehicle (and its competitors), not himself.
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
Quite frankly, almost all my TV consumption is YouTube now. I follow a bunch of car channels, and I sit down at night and watch their latest uploads and by then...I'm ready for bed.

In the last 5-6 months the only things I've watched on actual TV are election coverage and football.

Don't see how its any more fluff than anything else you watch. I really get a kick out of the fact that so many of these guys are just ordinary people. Alex is just a guy who likes reviewing cars, puts a lot of work into his videos clearly. These channels have gotten these ordinary people press access, press cars, etc. I think thats really cool.

I’m the same way 90% of my visual entertainment is via YouTube. I only watch CNBC and AMC occasionally on TV.

Alex on Auto’s & Thomas from Autogefühl are very similar in my opinion they are both very thorough about small details.

Harry Metcalfe the owner of Evo Magazine is also one of my all time favorite journalist/car reviewers.
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OK, well, if that is your opinion, then so be it.......we'll respect it. But I don't know where you're going to find another reviewer as thorough....Good Luck.
Alex isn’t entertaining, he doesn’t make me laugh or smile. But watching his videos are like being in a educational tutorial. But at the same time I like his videos because their just so darn educational. Certainly not for everyone, but I glad we have him.
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Harry Metcalfe the owner of Evo Magazine is also one of my all time favorite journalist/car reviewers.
i agree. Harry is excellent
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
Most magazines are available online, if they don’t have the additional print, I find that disappointing . I also do find the you tubers very interesting and more entertaining than most. I just don’t find Alex all that interesting. I do like Doug Demuro as well as Leno. Not really a fan of Red Line Reviews.
I don't do that much reading online. I look at a computer all the time at work, I prefer to watch reviews.

My dad was in the commercial printing paper business, he sold paper to printers and end users for use in magazines, catalogues, company annual reports, etc. That business is a huge barometer for the print industry, its done lol. At one time it was a huge business (did you know that the paper industry was at one time the second largest employer in Washington DC?), and he did very well...but today the guys I still know who worked with or for him are having to do other things on the side to make ends meet. Company he worked for is gone, etc. Sad.

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OK, well, if that is your opinion, then so be it.......we'll respect it. But I don't know where you're going to find another reviewer as thorough....Good Luck.

And, don't forget, if Alex is not that interesting, it's not about him, or any other reviewer. It's about the vehicle. And Alex talks about the vehicle (and its competitors), not himself.
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Alex isn’t entertaining, he doesn’t make me laugh or smile. But watching his videos are like being in a educational tutorial. But at the same time I like his videos because their just so darn educational. Certainly not for everyone, but I glad we have him.
Thats a great description. There are some times you want to be entertained, and some times you want to be informed. For instance, I don't care to sit through a 30 minute lecture on a Hyundai Elantra, but I will watch an entertaining 5 minute video about one, and I'll watch the 30 minute lecture about an S560 multiple times. The end result is though I know more about a Hyundai Elantra than I did before I watched the 5 minute video, which expands my knowledge about cars and segments and thats great. So, both have their place.

No offense Mike, but I skip over most of your reviews and get to your driving impressions for instance. Its just more detailed content than I want to know.
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Old Nov 22, 2018 | 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
I don't do that much reading online. I look at a computer all the time at work, I prefer to watch reviews.

My dad was in the commercial printing paper business, he sold paper to printers and end users for use in magazines, catalogues, company annual reports, etc. That business is a huge barometer for the print industry, its done lol. At one time it was a huge business (did you know that the paper industry was at one time the second largest employer in Washington DC?), and he did very well...but today the guys I still know who worked with or for him are having to do other things on the side to make ends meet. Company he worked for is gone, etc. Sad.





Thats a great description. There are some times you want to be entertained, and some times you want to be informed. For instance, I don't care to sit through a 30 minute lecture on a Hyundai Elantra, but I will watch an entertaining 5 minute video about one, and I'll watch the 30 minute lecture about an S560 multiple times. The end result is though I know more about a Hyundai Elantra than I did before I watched the 5 minute video, which expands my knowledge about cars and segments and thats great. So, both have their place.

No offense Mike, but I skip over most of your reviews and get to your driving impressions for instance. Its just more detailed content than I want to know.
I understand.....no offense at all. I do reviews for the benefit of all of Car Chat and CL, not necessarily one specific person, though most of them are done by one or more specific requests from specific persons....some of them outside CL, in my personal life (got a lot of requests, for instance, for the new RAV-4). And you probably don't need my reviews.....you do enough test-driving on your own. You got to shoehorn yourself into the latest Miata, for instance, before I did LOL.

(Speaking of shoehorning, too bad neither you or I had a video of me trying to get in and out of a Lotus Elise (now THERE was something truly funny)....by comparison, the diminutive Elise made the Miata's cabin look almost like a roomy limo. I reviewed one some years ago up at Criswell, which is not far from where you live, before they dropped the Lotus franchise. At the time, I was 6" 2" and probably around 280. The salesman (and he sold those cars for a living) told me forget it, it was impossible. Well, I wouldn't forget it...I had never let any car defeat me in the past, and I wasn't going to start then. I had to actually lie down, completely sideways, head-first, push myself across the seats, curl my legs up under me, then SLOWLY bring my big legs back down and under the low fixed steering wheel, squeeze my big torso into the seat while twisting it back longitudinally, and bend/splay my legs around the steering wheel so they could operate the three pedals (no automatic transmissions in the Elise). I could barely shut the door, as it banged against my left leg. Once in, the salesperson gave me a look of amazement. He said....."OK, you proved you could get in....can you actually drive it?" I said, "Darn right I can drive it"...and went out and did a more or less normal test-drive, though using the clutch pedal, with my legs splayed like that, was sometimes a little awkward and took some care. I wrote up the review that night and posted it the next day.

(I won't go into how I managed to get out of the car, but trust me...it was equally funny).

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Originally Posted by SW17LS
I don't do that much reading online. I look at a computer all the time at work, I prefer to watch reviews.

My dad was in the commercial printing paper business, he sold paper to printers and end users for use in magazines, catalogues, company annual reports, etc. That business is a huge barometer for the print industry, its done lol. At one time it was a huge business (did you know that the paper industry was at one time the second largest employer in Washington DC?), and he did very well...but today the guys I still know who worked with or for him are having to do other things on the side to make ends meet. Company he worked for is gone, etc. Sad..
For sure. Yes. Print industry is quite different thanks to modern technology, my business has been quite affected by the change to a digital non printed medium.

For reviews, yes I enjoy them as well. I just make sure I look for the credentials of someone when I view something and before I put weight to the piece. I put worth in someone’s writing and opinions. Generally those who publish in the printed domain have some sort of background in journalism or such. Anyone can get on a you tube channel and if entertaining, you get clicks. For example, someone who is self published does not carry as much weight vs someone who has a publisher IMO. In the digital domain, facts and what is being written or filmed is not always permanent, it can be modified or never to be seen again, a positive opinion by Alex one day can be re-edited to negative opinion the next. In the printed domain there is a permanent record, facts cannot be changed after the published material hits, those writing the material must get things right the first time. My comments above are in general and not just referring to auto reviews etc.

Most of what we see on the internet would never of been published in the printed domain or on cable tv. Most is just fluff, so much presidental meterial is just that. Same applies to auto stuff, most of the you tube stuff is fluff IMO

With Alex, he would go a long way if he would just get a professional editor. But who knows if he has one, or doesn’t have one. Maybe he edits his stuff in his mother’s basement. I don’t know.

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this will be my next car.. hopefully the refresh model in 3 years will take care of the black plastic wheel well fender arches or whatever it's called.
colour match body cladding will be release in 2 years at the minor model change.
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Originally Posted by Sulu
The reason for the late introduction into the showroom of this new RAV4 may be due to major production changes at Toyota Motor Manufacturing Canada (TMMC).

The old RAV4 (for Canada and the USA) was produced at the TMMC Woodstock, Ontario plant, which is about 50 km (30 miles) down the highway from the original TMMC plant in Cambridge, Ontario, which produced the Corolla sedan (for Canada) and the Lexus RX. Starting for the 2019 model year, however, the Corolla production was moved out of Cambridge (consolidated in the Toyota Motor Manufacturing Mississippi (TMMMS) plant, I assume) and the RAV4 expanded to 2 plants -- Woodstock and the old Corolla line in Cambridge.

Introducing a completely new product on a brand-new platform to an existing, in-operation production line is difficult enough; expanding that new product to 2 production lines that are so far apart would be even more difficult. I am thinking that just planning for the supply lines from the same suppliers but going to 2 different plants (that are so close yet so far away from the other), is a major job in itself.
You are very well informed! The retool for the Cambridge plant begins early Feb with production beginning in early March. Woodstock began production this week.
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