When will the new RAV-4 be released?
11-12-18, 06:42 AM
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11-12-18, 06:48 AM
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11-12-18, 06:52 AM
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11-12-18, 07:11 AM
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Again. It is their product. Many journalists are paid to be at those events by the manufacturer. Not all. Do you not see how it is a relationship? They both need each other. The marketing companies can not approve Motor Trend for a test vehicle or credentials or to even attend an event if they want. This is why they do it. And anyone who works in the press will understand that there is a fairness to those covering the event as it allows every publication to get their chance and turn to look at something. This way there is no favorism on who get the info out and who gets the clicks and reads first etc etc
11-12-18, 08:13 AM
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yes it's their product, they can do what they like. not everyone has to like it.
11-12-18, 09:19 AM
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I don't have any issues with these embargos. After all it's the manufacturers new model, their launch strategy, budget, responsibility and understanding of the competitive landscape. They have to do what they see fit.
11-12-18, 10:58 AM
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there is no doubt that new Rav4 is leaps and bounds over uninspiring old model... but there is also no way it is close to interior quality of UX.
I would seriously consider new Rav4 Hybrid, where previously there was no chance I would get that box on wheels Rav4.4.
Also, in many things it is going to be much better bang for the buck than NX, even though there will be gulf in engine power... but at the same time it will only happen in 2019, and only with top end Rav4 models that will cost $35k, and then in late 2020, new NX will make us wonder why Rav4 exists.
I would seriously consider new Rav4 Hybrid, where previously there was no chance I would get that box on wheels Rav4.4.
Also, in many things it is going to be much better bang for the buck than NX, even though there will be gulf in engine power... but at the same time it will only happen in 2019, and only with top end Rav4 models that will cost $35k, and then in late 2020, new NX will make us wonder why Rav4 exists.
11-12-18, 11:12 AM
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Agreed. When I reviewed the NX, I thought it was a disappointment by Lexus standards. Noise-control, ride comfort, general refinement, and interior poshness were, IMO, all lacking. The new RX, when I reviewed it, despite its oversize in-your-face spindle grille and the trick "floating roof' design, was a FAR nicer vehicle on the road.....simply no comparison.
11-12-18, 11:14 AM
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Great post. There are embargoes in every line of industry. I think most people on here who are taking the cheap shots at them really do not understand why and how they work.
11-12-18, 11:25 AM
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A little off-topic, but perhaps the best example of this, over the years, was with the GM X-Body compacts, introduced in 1980. These cars were hyped like nothing I had ever seen before, and set first-year sales records (And, they were, in fact, a brilliant idea in terms of design, but the engineering, execution, and quality control were incredibly poor). I bought a 1980 Chevy Citation myself....a big mistake, especially with the wide-ratio four-speed manual transmission. It was the most poorly-built new car I ever owned....constantly in the shop for problems that often couldn't be fixed because of poor design).......the only new car I've seen that was worse (and I did not own one) was the 1984 Pontiac Fiero. That Citation (and the Plymouth Horizon I owned before it) also taught me a lesson...not to fall in love with new designs just because of the hype.
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11-12-18, 11:32 AM
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I'm totally fine with the embargoes. I would worry that the first reviews out may influence subsequent reviews, and also imagine that you'd end up with a scenario where, at least for the highly anticipated releases, you'd have the reviewers/magazines all trying out out bid the others to get the first review. The one with the most money wins.
As others have mentioned, the release of a new product is highly coordinated. These companies spend large amounts of money to develop these cars so I do not have any issue with them wanting to control how the product is revealed to the public.
As others have mentioned, the release of a new product is highly coordinated. These companies spend large amounts of money to develop these cars so I do not have any issue with them wanting to control how the product is revealed to the public.
11-12-18, 11:35 AM
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I'm totally fine with the embargoes. I would worry that the first reviews out may influence subsequent reviews, and also imagine that you'd end up with a scenario where, at least for the highly anticipated releases, you'd have the reviewers/magazines all trying out out bid the others to get the first review. The one with the most money wins.
As others have mentioned, the release of a new product is highly coordinated. These companies spend large amounts of money to develop these cars so I do not have any issue with them wanting to control how the product is revealed to the public.
As others have mentioned, the release of a new product is highly coordinated. These companies spend large amounts of money to develop these cars so I do not have any issue with them wanting to control how the product is revealed to the public.
11-12-18, 11:41 AM
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Yes, you can argue that that was 30 or 40 years ago, but to some extent at least, the principle today has not changed very much.
11-12-18, 11:46 AM
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i don't think the tech industry does this that i'm aware of. i don't see samsung telling the press 'hey, you can show what this phone looks like, but not any of its features'. 
and no, i don't have to respect embargoes... like 'concept cars' i think they're stupid.
and no, i don't have to respect embargoes... like 'concept cars' i think they're stupid.