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lol me2. The Porsche event was also free with lead/follow and autocross, and I had zero intention of buying a 991 GTS or Panamera GTS. Even my wife was saying why do we have to attend when we are not in the market. Still drove all their cars from Cayman S, GTS, 991 Carerra S, GTS, Panamera S, GTS. You get the idea. At that event, there were quite a lot of richey riches who were not invited, now suddenly wanting to drive, and arguing with the staff. Guess free Porsches were worth their time. 
I admit I am beginning to see the side of this sub forum that I did not b4.
edit: what happens when uninvited people crash events and complain (to be fair how can you organize the pro instructors and vehicles, if people show up randomly because they are current owners, wealthy, or some other exception). It was awesome, and free, with professional instruction. Worth every minute of my precious time, and wifey agreed! Maybe nothing good lasts forever.
http://porscheworldroadshowusa.com/index.html
I admit I am beginning to see the side of this sub forum that I did not b4.
edit: what happens when uninvited people crash events and complain (to be fair how can you organize the pro instructors and vehicles, if people show up randomly because they are current owners, wealthy, or some other exception). It was awesome, and free, with professional instruction. Worth every minute of my precious time, and wifey agreed! Maybe nothing good lasts forever.
http://porscheworldroadshowusa.com/index.html
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For my husband and myself, sometimes expectations can change when you try things or do things that are not so clouded with a closed mind or blinders point of view. We generally are fans of Toyota and Lexus, but lately we have been having some evolving changes in the way we feel about some brands. For example, we were never fans of Nissan’s before, but we did a paid evaluation for Nissan where we got to try out the Nissan Rogue. We found out why it is so popular, loads of features and a fantastic ride and easygoing interior set up. Lots of cargo room, we believe we would rather have a Rogue than the RAV4 I could go on about all kinds of stuff on different things but I mostly fascinated when I find something that totally changes my expectations.
Sometimes it take a strange turn of events to change expectations or learn something. For example, I have always had a difficult time equated a music band and their particular songs. Not the biggest fan of music but I knew the song but did not know the band. Recently, we went to the movies and we saw the the commercial for Bohemian Rhapsody, it featured five of the Queen songs, it took that two and half minutes to discover who Queen was and what their songs were even though I knew the songs. My expectations of the band Queen have now been changed forever.
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For my husband and myself, sometimes expectations can change when you try things or do things that are not so clouded with a closed mind or blinders point of view. We generally are fans of Toyota and Lexus, but lately we have been having some evolving changes in the way we feel about some brands. For example, we were never fans of Nissan’s before, but we did a paid evaluation for Nissan where we got to try out the Nissan Rogue. We found out why it is so popular, loads of features and a fantastic ride and easygoing interior set up. Lots of cargo room, we believe we would rather have a Rogue than the RAV4 I could go on about all kinds of stuff on different things but I mostly fascinated when I find something that totally changes my expectations.
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Yes. The one I drove had a flat bottom (I think) and a sublime ride. It was just so easy sitting in it and relaxing while I drive. Never expected I would like a Nissan or a cross over for that matter.
Corvettes have a stigma. Chevrolet badge I guess
Another odd favourite of my husbands is the Acura RDX. I can’t stand it but he loves it. He took a test drive for fun and just adores it.
Corvettes have a stigma. Chevrolet badge I guess
Another odd favourite of my husbands is the Acura RDX. I can’t stand it but he loves it. He took a test drive for fun and just adores it.
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lol me2. The Porsche event was also free with lead/follow and autocross, and I had zero intention of buying a 991 GTS or Panamera GTS. Even my wife was saying why do we have to attend when we are not in the market. Still drove all their cars from Cayman S, GTS, 991 Carerra S, GTS, Panamera S, GTS. You get the idea. At that event, there were quite a lot of richey riches who were not invited, now suddenly wanting to drive, and arguing with the staff. Guess free Porsches were worth their time.
I admit I am beginning to see the side of this sub forum that I did not b4.
edit: what happens when uninvited people crash events and complain (to be fair how can you organize the pro instructors and vehicles, if people show up randomly because they are current owners, wealthy, or some other exception). It was awesome, and free, with professional instruction. Worth every minute of my precious time, and wifey agreed! Maybe nothing good lasts forever.
http://porscheworldroadshowusa.com/index.html
I admit I am beginning to see the side of this sub forum that I did not b4.
edit: what happens when uninvited people crash events and complain (to be fair how can you organize the pro instructors and vehicles, if people show up randomly because they are current owners, wealthy, or some other exception). It was awesome, and free, with professional instruction. Worth every minute of my precious time, and wifey agreed! Maybe nothing good lasts forever.
http://porscheworldroadshowusa.com/index.html
The question about "ethics" and "class" IMHO comes from the discussion about walking into a car dealership cold, and pretending to be interested in a car and make the salesperson go out with you on a test drive when you have no intention of even considering purchasing the car. Thats a waste of the salespersons time, hard to argue that it isn't IMHO.
Not sure what "side" of the forum you're seeing. Are people bad people for valuing other people's time above their own enjoyment? IMHO thats a positive thing not a negative thing.
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For example, we were never fans of Nissan’s before, but we did a paid evaluation for Nissan where we got to try out the Nissan Rogue. We found out why it is so popular, loads of features and a fantastic ride and easygoing interior set up. Lots of cargo room, we believe we would rather have a Rogue than the RAV4 I could go on about all kinds of stuff on different things but I mostly fascinated when I find something that totally changes my expectations.
Sometimes it take a strange turn of events to change expectations or learn something. For example, I have always had a difficult time equated a music band and their particular songs. Not the biggest fan of music but I knew the song but did not know the band. Recently, we went to the movies and we saw the the commercial for Bohemian Rhapsody, it featured five of the Queen songs, it took that two and half minutes to discover who Queen was and what their songs were even though I knew the songs. My expectations of the band Queen have now been changed forever.
There's no question that Freddie Mercury (Queen's front-man) was a very talented musician, had an attractive smooth voice, and could sing and play in a variety of different forms. I thought, however, that the song "Bicycle" they did was a little juvenile, and didn't care for his wild outfits and cross-dressing lifestyle.
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The Rogue sells well because of its low price and, because, for that low price, it is a decent small crossover SUV, though not the tops in that class.
There's no question that Freddie Mercury (Queen's front-man) was a very talented musician, had a smooth voice, and could sing and play in a variety of different forms. I thought, however, that the song "Bicycle" they did was a little juvenile, and didn't care for his wild outfits and cross-dressing lifestyle.
There's no question that Freddie Mercury (Queen's front-man) was a very talented musician, had a smooth voice, and could sing and play in a variety of different forms. I thought, however, that the song "Bicycle" they did was a little juvenile, and didn't care for his wild outfits and cross-dressing lifestyle.
I think the key is for the person doing the so called "review" to be up front about it so this way the dealer can just allow the "reviewer" to go out with the car alone and by themselves an not waste anyone's time. Furthermore, the "reviewer" should at least give the dealer some free advertising for doing the review. (I think Doug Demuro always plugs the dealer giving him a car" I have always felt bad for salespersons as almost everyone loathes them by they do not know they don't have to. For me, I don't generally drive too many vehicles as its a big waste of the dealer personnel's time, money, and efforts. I would usually just go and look at the cars from interior perspective and when asked if need help I politely say I am just waiting for the parts or service department and they usually leave me alone.
let the salesperson go attend to someone who's closer to buying.They came up with the giveaway, so its on them...I personally would never go drive some car that I have no interest in ever buying because of a gift card giveaway. For one, my time is worth more than the value of the gift card, and two I think its kind of a low class thing to do. Not my scene.
Its not "unethical", what it shows is a lack of class IMHO.
re: accepting an uber expensive dinner from a vendor a person being treated has ZERO interest in doing business with.
Super classless IMHO. I would never do that. I get calls from vendors all the time who want to take me out to eat, drink, etc and I decline if its not a vendor I would consider referring business to. I can buy my own dinner at the Capital Grille. If its a need I have and a person I'm open to, I accept and go from there.
Its one thing to go out to dinner and then decide doing business together isn't a good fit. If your boss has a vendor buy you and him dinner at the Capital Grille and he knows he will absolutely not do business with him regardless of what he learns at the dinner, then sorry but he's an a-hole.
Its one thing to go out to dinner and then decide doing business together isn't a good fit. If your boss has a vendor buy you and him dinner at the Capital Grille and he knows he will absolutely not do business with him regardless of what he learns at the dinner, then sorry but he's an a-hole.
The question about "ethics" and "class" IMHO comes from the discussion about walking into a car dealership cold, and pretending to be interested in a car and make the salesperson go out with you on a test drive when you have no intention of even considering purchasing the car. Thats a waste of the salespersons time, hard to argue that it isn't IMHO.
Not sure what "side" of the forum you're seeing. Are people bad people for valuing other people's time above their own enjoyment? IMHO thats a positive thing not a negative thing.
Not sure what "side" of the forum you're seeing. Are people bad people for valuing other people's time above their own enjoyment? IMHO thats a positive thing not a negative thing.
better watch out, Johnhav430 will get his lawyer buddy to talk to his boss to see if they can sue you for having an opinion.
As for the reviews, people like Doug Demuro are upfront with the dealers they are going to do a review. They don't have a salesperson there sitting in the car waiting for him to be done. When I go drive cars I am 100% upfront that I'm just curious and I'm not in the market, 80% of the time they just let me drive it alone, the other 20% they come but they know upfront.
That salesman might have missed a customer they could have actually sold a car to while he was out riding around with you with no change to sell you a car. THATS whats not right about it. If you've never worked in 100% commissioned sales or been in business for yourself you just don't get it. The guy who rode with you on that worthless test drive isn't getting paid to do that.
That salesman might have missed a customer they could have actually sold a car to while he was out riding around with you with no change to sell you a car. THATS whats not right about it. If you've never worked in 100% commissioned sales or been in business for yourself you just don't get it. The guy who rode with you on that worthless test drive isn't getting paid to do that.
we were never fans of Nissan’s before, but we did a paid evaluation for Nissan where we got to try out the Nissan Rogue. We found out why it is so popular, loads of features and a fantastic ride and easygoing interior set up. Lots of cargo room, we believe we would rather have a Rogue than the RAV4 I could go on about all kinds of stuff on different things but I mostly fascinated when I find something that totally changes my expectations.
Recently, we went to the movies and we saw the the commercial for Bohemian Rhapsody, it featured five of the Queen songs, it took that two and half minutes to discover who Queen was and what their songs were even though I knew the songs. My expectations of the band Queen have now been changed forever.
now that's funny... yeah i'd say you're not into music much!
Estimates of their record sales range from 150 million to 300 million records, making them one of the world's best-selling music artists.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_(band)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_(band)
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