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not seeing why anyone would get an ATS-V when a loaded camaro SS exists, and im not even a big of a camaro fan. Havent even included the ZL1. ATS-V sells terrible for a reason
not seeing why anyone would get an ATS-V when a loaded camaro SS exists, and im not even a big of a camaro fan. Havent even included the ZL1. ATS-V sells terrible for a reason
heres a real pic of the gauges
Lol
What sells better? The ATS-V or GS-F? Cadillac V series or Lexus F cars?
not seeing why anyone would get an ATS-V when a loaded camaro SS exists, and im not even a big of a camaro fan. Havent even included the ZL1. ATS-V sells terrible for a reason
Both the ATS-V and CTS-V instrument clusters leave a lot to be desired IMO. That half moon speedo reminds me of the gauge cluster in a beat up 1990ish Chevy work truck I used to drive. The CTS-V, maybe I don't like getting my speed read out in a digital form. I know the cluster is reconfigurable, but I count 3 different gauges for boost pressure. Also that oil temp readout is backwards, cold is full right, hot is full left, the opposite way every gauge ever has been labeled.
Both the ATS-V and CTS-V instrument clusters leave a lot to be desired IMO. That half moon speedo reminds me of the gauge cluster in a beat up 1990ish Chevy work truck I used to drive. The CTS-V, maybe I don't like getting my speed read out in a digital form. I know the cluster is reconfigurable, but I count 3 different gauges for boost pressure. Also that oil temp readout is backwards, cold is full right, hot is full left, the opposite way every gauge ever has been labeled.
Both the oil and coolant-temp gauges, not just oil-temp, read that way....right to left.
The new Lacrosse, BTW, has an oil-temp gauge and a voltmeter. Both are quite rare in non-sporting sedans...they are more likely seen in sports cars or work-trucks.
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i test drove the S5 sportback and liked everything about it. But their leases are horrible, cost same as M3 leases (M3 msrp 10k more). They act like discounting 6% off msrp is doing you a favor backwards
Back to the original question (ATS-V vs. its competitors), I'm not totally sure why Audi may cost more to lease, but a strong guess would be that VW/Audi has to recover the large amount of money they lost (and are continuing to lose) in fines, vehicle-repairs, and settlements from the recent scandal. BMW has had a good leasing program for years, for several reasons......among others, low depreciation. Given the choice, though, between the M3 and S5, I'd take the S5, hands-down...better build-quality, better fit/finish, treats you better on rough roads, and, IMO, simply more pleasant to drive. It doesn't quite have the M3's track-handling, but, then, most of the time, one is not going to be on a track.
Yeah the cheapo looking mid-90s GM era gauge cluster doesn't do much for me. The Buick LaCrosse instrument panel looks way better. But you do have to give Cadillac credit for being compared to Bimmer level handling so that's a plus.
Audi does a much better panel display. And Cadillac's creased, folded paper Origami styling is also a turnoff for me. I don't think it's surprising that potential Cadillac buyers might just head over to Buick. the only ATS that really looks good is the coupe, but even from behind they seemed to want to go for the Batman Batmobile reboot cars.
Yeah the cheapo looking mid-90s GM era gauge cluster doesn't do much for me. The Buick LaCrosse instrument panel looks way better. But you do have to give Cadillac credit for being compared to Bimmer level handling so that's a plus.
True, but to get that handling, Cadillac sedans, in recent years, have given up a significant level of ride comfort, and that has alienated a lot of their former supporters (at least the ones that didn't switch to SUVs LOL). Cadillac claims to have softened the XTS suspension a little, though, so I plan to sample a new 2018 when it becomes available.
I don't think it's surprising that potential Cadillac buyers might just head over to Buick.
Neither do a lot of Buick customers.
BTW, for sport-sedan enthusiasts, a new (still-Opel-based) Regal GS is coming this fall....with a new V6 instead of the former 2.0L turbo four. It won't have the kind of power the ATS-V has, of course, but it will probably cost only a little more than half as much....and be a far better value for the money.
BTW, for sport-sedan enthusiasts, a new (still-Opel-based) Regal GS is coming this fall....with a new V6 instead of the former 2.0L turbo four. It won't have the kind of power the ATS-V has, of course, but it will probably cost only a little more than half as much....and be a far better value for the money.
True. But you have to remember that car enthusiasts really love the idea of a dedicated RWD platform and all of its wonderful handling "pureness" vs a FWD platform. You can keep upping the HP on a RWD platform and work it for a long time. So the Cadillac is for purists vs the Buicks for people who want to just drive their vehicle like a regular guy on the street and drive side saddle.
True. But you have to remember that car enthusiasts really love the idea of a dedicated RWD platform and all of its wonderful handling "pureness" vs a FWD platform. You can keep upping the HP on a RWD platform and work it for a long time. So the Cadillac is for purists vs the Buicks for people who want to just drive their vehicle like a regular guy on the street and drive side saddle.
Agreed...RWD is essentially better-balanced. But, if anybody can get good handling out of a FWD platform, the Germans can.....and the Regal GS is essentially a rebadged Opel. Car & Driver magazine, in a long-term test of the last-generation Regal GS, remarked that, by their measure, it was the best Buick product they had ever driven.....and that included the RWD Buick Grand National/GNX that the enthusiast magazines all loved.
Agreed...RWD is essentially better-balanced. But, if anybody can get good handling out of a FWD platform, the Germans can.....and the Regal GS is essentially a rebadged Opel. Car & Driver magazine, in a long-term test of the last-generation Regal GS, remarked that, by their measure, it was the best Buick product they had ever driven.....and that included the RWD Buick Grand National/GNX that the enthusiast magazines all loved.
Yep the Germans do a wonderful job on FWD. I had two Rabbits and a Scirocco and many numerous FWD cars after that. But before that I had all the cars you might be familiar with too. But I can attest to the wonderful "wired to the road" feel of my 6 speed Accord coupe, so the Japanese know about this. It's not just the Germans. But my RWD GS430's 3UZFE absolutely would make me smile for the mile everyday. It had the vague higher speed steering feel that I didn't like but it felt much more balanced.
