2017 Lincoln Continental
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People were saying sports cars or muscle cars would be dead too and that has not happened, they have been bringing many back.
A good looking sedan, good performance, at a good price will sell.
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I'd say expect a pretty big refresh in a year or two for the LS500. Won't change the size or shape until the next redesign (if there even is another LS) but I'm sure they'll be addressing the complaints.
Maybe, just maybe, they'll drop the V8 that I know Lexus is developing in it.
Maybe, just maybe, they'll drop the V8 that I know Lexus is developing in it.
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lol... 'never' is a long time. 
and i disagree completely. i believe lexus will turn it around. an ev LS with a more practical design/space would sell better than the current one!
i consider the ls500 to be fancy but not innovative. my g90 could probably also be considered fancy but not innovative but it is 20K less expensive and it's certainly roomier.
again so definitive. and i disagree. 20 years ago whoever was saying suvs/crossovers would FAR outsell sedans was probably considered insane. well here we are.
the tesla 3 shows a new innovative SEDAN can make a real dent in the market, especially in places like California and many european countries.
if the range anxiety and quality become less of a perceived issue, the 3 could take off even further. and the y is really just a taller 3 - is it a crossover? i don't really care what it's called, but is it more practical? sure.
even the distinction between 'sedan' and 'crossover' is getting more and more blurred. bmw contributed to that with 'gran coupes', subaru with its outback station wagon / crossover, then there's kia soul, niro, hyundai kona.
honda and toyota continue to sell probably over 100K sedans a month so they're not going away any time soon. did see an interesting article the other day from a tesla fanboy site asking why would anyone buy an accord or camry when a tesla 3 is as roomy, faster, safer, and cheaper to operate. good question!
and i disagree completely. i believe lexus will turn it around. an ev LS with a more practical design/space would sell better than the current one!i consider the ls500 to be fancy but not innovative. my g90 could probably also be considered fancy but not innovative but it is 20K less expensive and it's certainly roomier.
again so definitive. and i disagree. 20 years ago whoever was saying suvs/crossovers would FAR outsell sedans was probably considered insane. well here we are.
the tesla 3 shows a new innovative SEDAN can make a real dent in the market, especially in places like California and many european countries.
if the range anxiety and quality become less of a perceived issue, the 3 could take off even further. and the y is really just a taller 3 - is it a crossover? i don't really care what it's called, but is it more practical? sure.
even the distinction between 'sedan' and 'crossover' is getting more and more blurred. bmw contributed to that with 'gran coupes', subaru with its outback station wagon / crossover, then there's kia soul, niro, hyundai kona.
honda and toyota continue to sell probably over 100K sedans a month so they're not going away any time soon. did see an interesting article the other day from a tesla fanboy site asking why would anyone buy an accord or camry when a tesla 3 is as roomy, faster, safer, and cheaper to operate. good question!
If you think a LS in petrol or sedan form will be growth area for the company, then I will take your word for it.
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And they will likely try to market it as being really special, call it a LS-F, charge a big premium for it and it won't sell because the premium is too high unfortunately like what has happened to the GS-F, RC-F. They need to understand buyers are not going to pay really big premiums for bigger engines/more power they think they will pay and price them more realistically.
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That's what they did in 2010 with the ES......a significant mid-generation update, without a major redesign. They tried to cost-cut the 5th-generation ES in 2006 (after a superb 4Gen model..the best ES ever done, IMO), and had to address customer complaints of deterioration in ride, noise isolation, and interior trim. They made some improvements in all three, in 2010, without a major redesign. Lincoln, of course, also did the same on the MKZ for 2017. Perhaps we will see that on the LS in a year or two.......hope you're correct.
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Nothing less than a complete redesign will fix the LS. Not sure Lexus has it in them considering the shrinking sedan market. And I surely don't see them having the fortitude to put the amount of R&D money into the LS to make it a worthy competitor to the upcoming S-Class. P
I think they have given up the fight. At least the fight for #1.
I think they have given up the fight. At least the fight for #1.
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That's what they did in 2010 with the ES......a significant mid-generation update, without a major redesign. They tried to cost-cut the 5th-generation ES in 2006 (after a superb 4Gen model..the best ES ever done, IMO), and had to address customer complaints of deterioration in ride, noise isolation, and interior trim. They made some improvements in all three, in 2010, without a major redesign. Lincoln, of course, also did the same on the MKZ for 2017. Perhaps we will see that on the LS in a year or two.......hope you're correct.
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When it comes to the LS,Lexus should have known better. Because after the ES goof, they then turned around and screwed up the the 2013 Toyota Avalon thinking for some odd reason customers wanted to feel more bumps. They had to rush a fix. Then comes the LS and same mistake.
Not only did Toyota screw up the 2013 Avalon's suspension/tires, but also used less-solid and more flimsy-feeing materials inside. Both these problems, to an extent, were corrected for the 2016 model.
The real problem is that, with a few exceptions, auto manufacturers are designing sedans (at least the ones still in production) for auto-journalists, who, as a group, are clearly sport-oriented then the general public itself. And then they wonder why sedan sales are down.
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Anyhow, we've gotten off topic. Anybody on CL see a limited-production suicide-door Continental on the road yet? I haven't...even in the D.C. area, where you might expect some for limo firms. New York City, particularly in Manhattan, might (?) be another place you could expect to occasionally see one.
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Anyhow, we've gotten off topic. Anybody on CL see a limited-production suicide-door Continental on the road yet? I haven't...even in the D.C. area, where you might expect some for limo firms. New York City, particularly in Manhattan, might (?) be another place you could expect to occasionally see one.
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I think you have a better chance of seeing Bigfoot.