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several years ago on CL i said v8's were on their way out, and got excoriated for it. 
they will still be around, but in increasingly expensive configurations.
if you want one, get 'em while you still can.
they will still be around, but in increasingly expensive configurations.
if you want one, get 'em while you still can.
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It obvious that V8s are on the way as the main engine for a model lineup. I think they will be still around in the expensive configurations as you said. I think the RCF and GSF would be more popular with a V6 that was turbocharged. The current V8s by Lexus don't cut it IMO.
there will likely still be cheaper v8's for camaros, mustangs, challengers, etc., as they're so popular, plus the engines tend to be variants of ones that have been around 'forever' so don't cost the manufacturers much to make. plus the sales volume is still relatively puny so doesn't affect a manufacturer's overall CAFE rating much. still, with a mustang and the new performance package and 4 banger getting almost the same clout as a mustang (v8) gt, things are definitely changing.
Last edited by bitkahuna; Oct 25, 2016 at 03:34 PM.
found that old thread and in it i wrote to an LS owner...
i was wrong on the latter part it seems. 
YOU just got a V8 LS sedan. would you have preferred it had a turbo v6? don't think so. what if lexus ends up dropping the v8 because of pressure, cost, regulations, etc. they probably won't because unlike mb/bmw, they can leverage the sales of their other huge mothership brand's CAFE ratings.
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It is a shame though, I like having V8 options and I love my V8, don't want to see them go away or become rare and very expensive. Hybrids and turbo 4 cylinders are not the answer either for luxury cars or sports cars in most cases.
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there will likely still be cheaper v8's for camaros, mustangs, challengers, etc., as they're so popular, plus the engines tend to be variants of ones that have been around 'forever' so don't cost the manufacturers much to make. plus the sales volume is still relatively puny so doesn't affect a manufacturer's overall CAFE rating much. still, with a mustang and the new performance package and 4 banger getting almost the same clout as a mustang (v8) gt, things are definitely changing.
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Don't hold your breath, Lexus was the last to offer a 4 cylinder turbo and yet the turbo in the is200t cannot compete with any of its competitors. They did manage to release it with a massive turbo lag though. I am also inclined to believe the old 2.5 liter V6 is superior to this new turbo 4.
Don't hold your breath, Lexus was the last to offer a 4 cylinder turbo and yet the turbo in the is200t cannot compete with any of its competitors. They did manage to release it with a massive turbo lag though. I am also inclined to believe the old 2.5 liter V6 is superior to this new turbo 4.
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Don't hold your breath, Lexus was the last to offer a 4 cylinder turbo and yet the turbo in the is200t cannot compete with any of its competitors. They did manage to release it with a massive turbo lag though. I am also inclined to believe the old 2.5 liter V6 is superior to this new turbo 4.
Don't hold your breath, Lexus was the last to offer a 4 cylinder turbo and yet the turbo in the is200t cannot compete with any of its competitors. They did manage to release it with a massive turbo lag though. I am also inclined to believe the old 2.5 liter V6 is superior to this new turbo 4.
For years, carmakers kept pace with European Union CO2 goals by shrinking engine capacities, while adding turbo chargers to make up lost power. Three-cylinder motors below one liter have become common in cars up to VW Golf-sized compacts; some Fiat models run on twin-cylinders.
These mini-motors sailed through official lab tests conducted - until now - on rollers at unrealistically moderate temperatures and speeds. Carmakers, regulators and green groups knew that real-world CO2 and nitrogen oxide (NOx) emissions were much higher, but the discrepancy remained unresolved.
All that is about to change. Starting next year, new models will be subjected to realistic on-the-road testing for NOx, with all cars required to comply by 2019. Fuel consumption and CO2 will follow two years later under a new global test standard.
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/car...ric-motor.html
The old fuel consumption & emissions legislations favored theoretical on-paper mileage figures, and thus favored small capacity turbos.
Now, the latest European legislation has changed to favor real-life fuel economy, but this type of measurement no longer favors small capacity turbos.
Thus, the forthcoming fuel and emissions regulations favor gasoline-electric hybrids, such that this powertrain format is tipped to become mainstream soon.
Technology is constantly evolving, with turbos making a comeback, and now gasoline-electric hybrids making a comeback...
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I'm not so sure. Until the recharging infrastructure suddenly expands all around the country AND recharging batteries doesnt take nearly 2 hrs per stop, it won't happen yet. First, all the automakers will have to agree on which alternative fuel is best, Hydrogen or pure electric. Then agree on standardizing recharging and build up the infrastructure cohesively. You can't drive a hydrogen car out of Cali right now and electric cars gives you sweaty palms when theres a hill and/or headwinds.
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Trick or Treat? Next-Gen LS Rumored to Get 3.0L Turbo and F Treatment
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https://www.clublexus.com/articles/t...o-f-treatment/
