View Poll Results: What should the next LS go after?
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Next Lexus LS (2018 model)
Lead Lap
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From: In your head
Depends where you want to attack, directly to OS/mobile app or servers. In the first case it will be a lot easier to break through Android platform cause that thing has no security nor privacy what so ever. But absolutely the easiest way to unlock the car would be Mercedes NFC unlock. Basically Mercedes allows you to unlock your car with Bluetooth which is all kinds of dumb. Bluetooth does not have data encryption at all so all you have to do is copy and paste the Bluetooth signal to see how Mercedes unlocks its cars from the app.
Cyber crime car thefts as well as taking over control of self-driving systems are not the future but present day activities. Internet of Things or IoT did very little in terms of security cause security is last checkpoint on consumers checklist. Do you know even your Philips Hue "smart" bulbs can be easily hacked? Car is no different than Phillips Hue bulb at all. I'm sure manufactures have thought of security when it comes to app communication between your car and your device but there is always a weak spot where manufacturer cannot do nothing about even if they are aware of it (and they are most of the time) especially since the technology is in it's infancy.
Cyber crime car thefts as well as taking over control of self-driving systems are not the future but present day activities. Internet of Things or IoT did very little in terms of security cause security is last checkpoint on consumers checklist. Do you know even your Philips Hue "smart" bulbs can be easily hacked? Car is no different than Phillips Hue bulb at all. I'm sure manufactures have thought of security when it comes to app communication between your car and your device but there is always a weak spot where manufacturer cannot do nothing about even if they are aware of it (and they are most of the time) especially since the technology is in it's infancy.
Lead Lap
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From: Ca
However, the atmos' throttle response & torque curve will still be sadly missed.
Life is often a compromise.
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Last edited by peteharvey; Feb 27, 2017 at 10:07 AM.
Driver
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From: Ca
Now this is a much better way to put it and I agree. I hope they don't make the LSF the only V8 optioned LS.
Advanced
Joined: Aug 2005
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From: Texas - DFW Area
FYI, maybe everyone can stop whining about the lack of a V8 at launch. No reason the LS would not get this updated drivetrain options from the LC, even if slightly detuned.
LC F to debut in Tokyo this fall. The bold is mine, to emphasize my favorite part of this article... 
http://blog.caranddriver.com/scoop-6...ing-this-fall/
http://blog.caranddriver.com/scoop-6...ing-this-fall/
Lead Lap
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From: In your head
5.0 offers 468 horsepower and 391
Current TTV6 figures are 415 horsepower and 442 lb-ft of torque.
Advanced
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From: Texas - DFW Area
Not sure what you mean. Did you read the article, 600hp TT V8 going in the F version of the LC, even if detuned the LS could find itself with a 550hp TT V8.
Lexus Champion
Joined: Nov 2013
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From: WA
New Car and Driver article.
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...sected-feature
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...sected-feature
Rear-wheel drive is standard on the LS, while all-wheel drive will be an option. A hybrid will join the lineup shortly. And with the Germans all packing V-8s and even V-12s in their full-size sedans, Lexus would be foolish to cap the LS at six cylinders. We do not believe Lexus is foolish. Nobody at Lexus will cop to it, but, seeing as Lexus’s current V-8s all date fairly deep into the last decade, we suspect they’re working up a new one to take on the smaller, higher-output Teutons—perhaps like the 600-hp V-8 reportedly bound for the LC F.
Our preview of the Lexus LS included a short drive of some early engineering mules. Engineers were still finalizing powertrain *calibrations, so we can’t comment on the twin-turbo six at this time. But with the optional air springs, the ride is excellent, and the rear-wheel steering helps the LS feel surprisingly nimble without compromising straight-line stability. The steering is satisfyingly hefty and the brake pedal progressive. The original LS won the first comparison test we threw it into in 1989; we’ll find out in another year or so if its latest descendant can repeat that feat.
Lexus Test Driver
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From: CA
I agree, without a V8 it's a wannabe flagship in the mold of the CT6 and Continental.
But the bigger question, will they make a non-sport one?
I agree that 4.0 V8 is the ideal size due to displacement taxes in Europe and why even Mercedes is moving in that direction with their new 4 V8 tt for the upcoming S refresh at 474 HP I think.
I read the article on the pricing for the LC and that's ludicrous. Think about this: the S8 at over 600 HP books for $116k.
Here is the engine lineup they should have done:
3.0 V6 tt @ 360 HP or the existing 3.5 @ 415 HP
4.0 V8 tt @ 475 HP (call this the LS 560 since they already messed up the nomenclature).
4.0 V8 tt @ 600 HP for the F
But the bigger question, will they make a non-sport one?
I agree that 4.0 V8 is the ideal size due to displacement taxes in Europe and why even Mercedes is moving in that direction with their new 4 V8 tt for the upcoming S refresh at 474 HP I think.
I read the article on the pricing for the LC and that's ludicrous. Think about this: the S8 at over 600 HP books for $116k.
Here is the engine lineup they should have done:
3.0 V6 tt @ 360 HP or the existing 3.5 @ 415 HP
4.0 V8 tt @ 475 HP (call this the LS 560 since they already messed up the nomenclature).
4.0 V8 tt @ 600 HP for the F
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Lead Lap
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From: Ca
Lexus released a four cylinder turbo only a few years ago.
Lexus is about to release a 3.5 V6 TT.
Give them some time, and they will have a 4.0 V8 TT.
Electric vehicles will take sometime to become mainstream.
TMC knows that hydrogen infrastructure will take a long time to establish.
Thus meantime, I'm sure you'll see a full line up of small capacity turbos, even with electric compressors to facilitate the exhaust driven turbos, and large battery capacity larger electric motor plug-in PHEV hybrids.
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Lexus is about to release a 3.5 V6 TT.
Give them some time, and they will have a 4.0 V8 TT.
Electric vehicles will take sometime to become mainstream.
TMC knows that hydrogen infrastructure will take a long time to establish.
Thus meantime, I'm sure you'll see a full line up of small capacity turbos, even with electric compressors to facilitate the exhaust driven turbos, and large battery capacity larger electric motor plug-in PHEV hybrids.
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Last edited by peteharvey; Feb 27, 2017 at 05:59 PM.
Lead Lap
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From: NY
A 600hp tt small V8 will be too high strung for a luxury car. Something in the range of 475-500 hp range is more appropriate for normal driving. Although anything over 300hp is more than adequate, but you know competition.
Pole Position
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From: WA
No matter how many active and passive safety features you put in a car, the weight is always the number one safety factor.
Normally, flagship car should carry more weight, and need more power to drive it.
Like Mercedes S600 is not faster than S550, but it definitely need that power to drive it properly.
If the power and torque is very high, the engine and transmission materiel should be very special on torque and heat resistance, and the cost will be skyrocket high, this is why high-end car is so expensive.
Rookie
Joined: Nov 2004
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From: New York
I think he is talking about how the smaller displacement engine will feel/sound when boosted to 600hp. For these, the highest hp I tried was the Audi A8 and S6, both felt and sound great but were also south of 500hp.
I also own a 4.7 liter twin turbo (Mercedes GL OE tuned) which is just around 500 hp and that also felt fine, smooth, no lag, low and glass-like idle, quiet. But 4.7 might not be considered small displacement.
The Audi S8 had 600 hp from 4.0 liters, anyone drove that? Know of any others?
I also own a 4.7 liter twin turbo (Mercedes GL OE tuned) which is just around 500 hp and that also felt fine, smooth, no lag, low and glass-like idle, quiet. But 4.7 might not be considered small displacement.
The Audi S8 had 600 hp from 4.0 liters, anyone drove that? Know of any others?
Lead Lap
Joined: Aug 2011
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From: Ca
I agree, without a V8 it's a wannabe flagship in the mold of the CT6 and Continental.
But the bigger question, will they make a non-sport one?
I agree that 4.0 V8 is the ideal size due to displacement taxes in Europe and why even Mercedes is moving in that direction with their new 4 V8 tt for the upcoming S refresh at 474 HP I think.
I read the article on the pricing for the LC and that's ludicrous. Think about this: the S8 at over 600 HP books for $116k.
Here is the engine lineup they should have done:
3.0 V6 tt @ 360 HP or the existing 3.5 @ 415 HP
4.0 V8 tt @ 475 HP (call this the LS 560 since they already messed up the nomenclature).
4.0 V8 tt @ 600 HP for the F
But the bigger question, will they make a non-sport one?
I agree that 4.0 V8 is the ideal size due to displacement taxes in Europe and why even Mercedes is moving in that direction with their new 4 V8 tt for the upcoming S refresh at 474 HP I think.
I read the article on the pricing for the LC and that's ludicrous. Think about this: the S8 at over 600 HP books for $116k.
Here is the engine lineup they should have done:
3.0 V6 tt @ 360 HP or the existing 3.5 @ 415 HP
4.0 V8 tt @ 475 HP (call this the LS 560 since they already messed up the nomenclature).
4.0 V8 tt @ 600 HP for the F
GS F will be 4.0 V8 TT with 550 BHP.
Lexus Test Driver
Joined: Nov 2015
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From: CA
Yeah I read that, although it has since been refuted. Still that article never mentioned a non-sport one.
Mercedes is pushing out a 4 V8 tt @ 470+ HP to replace the 4.7 for the S and others. Audi is upping its 4.0 liter as well in the new A8 4.0t.
Lexus is losing this race. They're already behind and if they don't release one, then it would be safe to say that they gave up in this class and are comfortable in the realm of the CT6 and Continental. Nothing wrong that, but it's not in the same class as the Germans.
Mercedes is pushing out a 4 V8 tt @ 470+ HP to replace the 4.7 for the S and others. Audi is upping its 4.0 liter as well in the new A8 4.0t.
Lexus is losing this race. They're already behind and if they don't release one, then it would be safe to say that they gave up in this class and are comfortable in the realm of the CT6 and Continental. Nothing wrong that, but it's not in the same class as the Germans.
