Notices
Car Chat General discussion about Lexus, other auto manufacturers and automotive news.
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: Innova

Supercharger BOV question

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Mar 31, 2013 | 06:30 PM
  #1  
shoehead's Avatar
shoehead
Thread Starter
Driver
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 169
Likes: 0
From: Maryland
Default Supercharger BOV question

Quick question. I saw a C6 Z06 over the weekend. It had a ECS supercharger kit. When the owner started the car it sounded like the BOV vented right away.
I have a very basic understanding of superchargers and was wondering what causes the BOV to vent right after starting.
Mabe it wasnt the BOV but it sounded like this whoosh @ 00:35 sec marker just after starting with no throttle.
Reply
Old Apr 1, 2013 | 05:35 AM
  #2  
Koma's Avatar
Koma
Moderator
CL Folding 25,000
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 4,809
Likes: 1
From: Massachusetts
Default

The motor already was on in the beginning of the video, the person is revving the motor and because superchargers build boost based upon revs (where as turbochargers don't really build much boost in neutral because you need load on the engine) they need to release unused boost using a blow off valve or recirculation valve.
Reply
Old Apr 1, 2013 | 07:01 AM
  #3  
shoehead's Avatar
shoehead
Thread Starter
Driver
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 169
Likes: 0
From: Maryland
Default

Sorry. To clarify the video is just an example of the sound I heard.
I do understand the function of a BOV but is there any reason why it would go off right after starting a car?
I guess it boils down to; Is there any unused boost right after ignition?
Because I heard the whoosh sound right after the guy started the car.
Reply
Old Apr 1, 2013 | 07:19 AM
  #4  
Dream36's Avatar
Dream36
Pole Position
 
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 393
Likes: 0
From: Delaware
Default

the BOV is what relieves pressure before the TB in order to not allow air back through the compressor (more important to a turbo here). On a supercharged car the pressure builds up as soon as the car is turned on vs a turbo needing to spool up. The other reason (and the reason SC guys use them) is so you dont blow out couplings when lettign go of the throttle.

well anyway, my bad. your question was why at startup his BOV activated, I assume it is because at startup his idle peaked at 2k rpms then fell down sharply thus releasing the plunger. so yes with a SC you may experience a boost spike at startup (especially on the LSx family of motors like in the video)
Reply
Old Apr 1, 2013 | 09:10 AM
  #5  
Infra's Avatar
Infra
Lexus Test Driver
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 1,091
Likes: 1
From: TX
Default

I believe you are hearing the supercharger itself. They make a high-pitched whine during operation.

Centrifugal supercharges don't create a lot of boost at idle (very similar to turbochargers, except driven by belt rather than turbine), so it's extremely unlikely you are hearing the blow-off valve over the sound of the engine & supercharger whine.
Reply
Old Apr 1, 2013 | 10:31 AM
  #6  
shoehead's Avatar
shoehead
Thread Starter
Driver
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 169
Likes: 0
From: Maryland
Default

Originally Posted by Dream36
the BOV is what relieves pressure before the TB in order to not allow air back through the compressor (more important to a turbo here). On a supercharged car the pressure builds up as soon as the car is turned on vs a turbo needing to spool up. The other reason (and the reason SC guys use them) is so you dont blow out couplings when lettign go of the throttle.

well anyway, my bad. your question was why at startup his BOV activated, I assume it is because at startup his idle peaked at 2k rpms then fell down sharply thus releasing the plunger. so yes with a SC you may experience a boost spike at startup (especially on the LSx family of motors like in the video)
That makes sense.

Originally Posted by Infra
I believe you are hearing the supercharger itself. They make a high-pitched whine during operation.

Centrifugal supercharges don't create a lot of boost at idle (very similar to turbochargers, except driven by belt rather than turbine), so it's extremely unlikely you are hearing the blow-off valve over the sound of the engine & supercharger whine.
The sound definately was not the whine of a supercharger. It was loud and sounded just like the sound in the video. I am 80% sure it was a BOV.
Could it be the sound of air filling the intercooler and pipes? Just a wild guess.
Reply
Old Apr 1, 2013 | 10:34 AM
  #7  
mmarshall's Avatar
mmarshall
Lexus Fanatic
Community Builder
Community Influencer
Liked
Loved
 
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 94,208
Likes: 220
From: Virginia/D.C. suburbs
Default

Originally Posted by Koma
turbochargers don't really build much boost in neutral because you need load on the engine) they need to release unused boost using a blow off valve or recirculation valve.
The traditional term for that device is called a wastegate.
Reply
Old Apr 1, 2013 | 11:55 AM
  #8  
Koma's Avatar
Koma
Moderator
CL Folding 25,000
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 4,809
Likes: 1
From: Massachusetts
Default

Originally Posted by mmarshall
The traditional term for that device is called a wastegate.
Wastegate is on the exhaust side to prevent boost from building.

Blow off/recirculation is on the intake side to relieve already pressurized air.
Reply
Old Apr 1, 2013 | 12:00 PM
  #9  
mmarshall's Avatar
mmarshall
Lexus Fanatic
Community Builder
Community Influencer
Liked
Loved
 
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 94,208
Likes: 220
From: Virginia/D.C. suburbs
Default

Originally Posted by Koma
Wastegate is on the exhaust side to prevent boost from building.

Blow off/recirculation is on the intake side to relieve already pressurized air.
OK, thanks for clarifying. As I understood it, they served the same function.
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
SC300_704
SC - 1st Gen (1992-2000)
46
Sep 16, 2010 01:51 PM
DRFT103
SC - 1st Gen (1992-2000)
8
Oct 7, 2009 08:15 AM
bluelex
GS - 2nd Gen (1998-2005)
39
Jan 19, 2006 08:48 AM
JeffTsai
Performance
3
Oct 25, 2005 07:46 AM




All times are GMT -7. The time now is 11:59 AM.