ydooby

I think the point of the GS450h has always been "green performance", i.e. additional performance without additional consequence, though unfortunately there haven't been a lot of people buying into the idea it seems.

Vladi

85 would be awesome but somehow I doubt that. Maybe for a first year or two and then they will jack it up to high 90s. Unless they go with BMW theory where M5 starts at 90 but in reality they are all within a 100 or well over it.

Or they can always go GT-R route, price it 79 only to jack it up to a 100 within 4 years :P

MPLexus301

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We've known about the E63, M5 and S6 for a while, but I find it interesting that Infiniti has confirmed a 550hp TT V6 version of the M/Q70. I'm really looking forward to the showdown of E63 vs. M5 vs. S6 vs. XF-R vs. GS F vs. Q70 ???

jbjones85

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I really hope this pans out.

spwolf

GS300h would do 0-60 in 8.5s and get 38 MPG.... GS450h in 5.7s and gets 31 MPG.

GS-F would probably start at 20k above GS450h.

So what exactly is so hard to understand?

LexFather

Agreed. Has anyone actually seen the variety of E-classes offered? Its pretty amazing, multiple engines, hybrids, diesels, coupes, convertibles. wagons...


Lexus has done an utterly awful job showcasing the GS 450h where I don't even know why they bothered. Most every owner loves their 3GS and the 4GS owners also rave about the car. Most don't give a **** about the gas savings as the other positive aspects are of great importance.

Lexus has done nothing to show the GS 450h to the world and its not like dealers are going to show you one, they rather an easy selling ES 300h.

SNiiP3R

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90% of people who buy hybrids don't care about 0-60

and loaded GS450h is already $75K, I highly doubt the very first GSF will cost $95K....but it's pointless to argue until we see the actual numbers.

peteharvey

So many different engine options to produce including: four cylinder turbos, four cylinder diesel turbos, 3.0 & 3.5 atmospheric, 3.0 & 3.5 supercharged, 3.0 & 3.5 turbos, 3.0 & 3.5 hybrids, V8's, V8 supercharged, V8 turbos, V8 hybrids, and more.
Each design has its pros and cons; none are purfect.
Some designs are more expensive to manufacture than others.

Lexus just has to do its homework and figure out the relative popularity of each power train design, for each individual market; for example, what is popular in Europe, may not be so popular in the US.
Then, its just a matter of producing the more popular designs to keep consumers happy with decent sales, so that manufacturing is economically feasible, and the company doesn't go broke...

Blackraven

For me, the magic number is 500 HP.

Achieve that or more, then the GSF will get praise on my book. BUT, go below 500 HP and it would just be a disappointment.

Lexus should know and understand that a GS-F that only has less than 500 HP cannot succeed (especially with an improving competition)

TRDFantasy

I really hope Lexus brings the GS300h to North America. I still don't understand why the IS300h isn't coming to America. Are they afraid it will cannibalize sales of the ES hybrid too much?

No specific details on the GS F powertrain other than V8, very interesting. No way it's the same V8 from the IS F tuned the same way. There's got to be more to it than that.

Also that spy shot of the GS F front end looks awesome!

Comparing loaded price one of vehicle to hypothetical base price of another vehicle just for the sake of an internet argument? Makes total sense, gotcha.

spwolf

its Lexus USA that doesnt care... it sells well in rest of the world.

SNiiP3R

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Not trying to compare the two. Like I said , we do not know anything about the GSF, we're not even sure if this car will compete with M5/AMG or go against the BMW 550i/E550. So, making any comparisons or assumptions is pointless at this point.

My initial question was, how would these two models affect the sales of GS450h?

bitkahuna

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lexus needs all the models they can get!

Joeb427

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Not many 450h's around in my area.Only 6 in a 50 mile radius,many dealers and I'm in the New York City metro area.Probably due to it being RWD.

spwolf

absolutely... imagine how would GS sell if it had GS250, GS300h, GS350, GS450h and GS-F... probably doubled in sales.

As It is, i doubt GS300h is coming to the USA soon.