In Development? Lexus GS F & GS 300h
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I agree, more choices are welcome! However, if the GSF would be priced around $85 - $90K then I don't see the point of keeping the 450h? If buyer wants to save gas he would most likely get the 300h. Contrary, those that are seeking something more sporty would probably go with the GS-F, the 450h would not make any sense.
We don't know the numbers of either models, but I would assume that 300h would have higher MPG than 450h. And the GSF would probably be faster and more sporty than 450h.
We don't know the numbers of either models, but I would assume that 300h would have higher MPG than 450h. And the GSF would probably be faster and more sporty than 450h.
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I agree, more choices are welcome! However, if the GSF would be priced around $85 - $90K then I don't see the point of keeping the 450h? If buyer wants to save gas he would most likely get the 300h. Contrary, those that are seeking something more sporty would probably go with the GS-F, the 450h would not make any sense.
We don't know the numbers of either models, but I would assume that 300h would have higher MPG than 450h. And the GSF would probably be faster and more sporty than 450h.
We don't know the numbers of either models, but I would assume that 300h would have higher MPG than 450h. And the GSF would probably be faster and more sporty than 450h.
Or they can always go GT-R route, price it 79 only to jack it up to a 100 within 4 years :P
We've known about the E63, M5 and S6 for a while, but I find it interesting that Infiniti has confirmed a 550hp TT V6 version of the M/Q70. I'm really looking forward to the showdown of E63 vs. M5 vs. S6 vs. XF-R vs. GS F vs. Q70 ???
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I agree, more choices are welcome! However, if the GSF would be priced around $85 - $90K then I don't see the point of keeping the 450h? If buyer wants to save gas he would most likely get the 300h. Contrary, those that are seeking something more sporty would probably go with the GS-F, the 450h would not make any sense.
We don't know the numbers of either models, but I would assume that 300h would have higher MPG than 450h. And the GSF would probably be faster and more sporty than 450h.
We don't know the numbers of either models, but I would assume that 300h would have higher MPG than 450h. And the GSF would probably be faster and more sporty than 450h.
GS-F would probably start at 20k above GS450h.
So what exactly is so hard to understand?
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Lexus has done nothing to show the GS 450h to the world and its not like dealers are going to show you one, they rather an easy selling ES 300h.
and loaded GS450h is already $75K, I highly doubt the very first GSF will cost $95K....but it's pointless to argue until we see the actual numbers.
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So many different engine options to produce including: four cylinder turbos, four cylinder diesel turbos, 3.0 & 3.5 atmospheric, 3.0 & 3.5 supercharged, 3.0 & 3.5 turbos, 3.0 & 3.5 hybrids, V8's, V8 supercharged, V8 turbos, V8 hybrids, and more.
Each design has its pros and cons; none are purfect.
Some designs are more expensive to manufacture than others.
Lexus just has to do its homework and figure out the relative popularity of each power train design, for each individual market; for example, what is popular in Europe, may not be so popular in the US.
Then, its just a matter of producing the more popular designs to keep consumers happy with decent sales, so that manufacturing is economically feasible, and the company doesn't go broke...
Each design has its pros and cons; none are purfect.
Some designs are more expensive to manufacture than others.
Lexus just has to do its homework and figure out the relative popularity of each power train design, for each individual market; for example, what is popular in Europe, may not be so popular in the US.
Then, its just a matter of producing the more popular designs to keep consumers happy with decent sales, so that manufacturing is economically feasible, and the company doesn't go broke...
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Achieve that or more, then the GSF will get praise on my book. BUT, go below 500 HP and it would just be a disappointment.
Lexus should know and understand that a GS-F that only has less than 500 HP cannot succeed (especially with an improving competition)
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I really hope Lexus brings the GS300h to North America. I still don't understand why the IS300h isn't coming to America. Are they afraid it will cannibalize sales of the ES hybrid too much?
No specific details on the GS F powertrain other than V8, very interesting. No way it's the same V8 from the IS F tuned the same way. There's got to be more to it than that.
Also that spy shot of the GS F front end looks awesome!
Comparing loaded price one of vehicle to hypothetical base price of another vehicle just for the sake of an internet argument? Makes total sense, gotcha.
No specific details on the GS F powertrain other than V8, very interesting. No way it's the same V8 from the IS F tuned the same way. There's got to be more to it than that.
Also that spy shot of the GS F front end looks awesome!
Comparing loaded price one of vehicle to hypothetical base price of another vehicle just for the sake of an internet argument? Makes total sense, gotcha.
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Agreed. Has anyone actually seen the variety of E-classes offered? Its pretty amazing, multiple engines, hybrids, diesels, coupes, convertibles. wagons...
Lexus has done an utterly awful job showcasing the GS 450h where I don't even know why they bothered. Most every owner loves their 3GS and the 4GS owners also rave about the car. Most don't give a **** about the gas savings as the other positive aspects are of great importance.
Lexus has done nothing to show the GS 450h to the world and its not like dealers are going to show you one, they rather an easy selling ES 300h.
Lexus has done an utterly awful job showcasing the GS 450h where I don't even know why they bothered. Most every owner loves their 3GS and the 4GS owners also rave about the car. Most don't give a **** about the gas savings as the other positive aspects are of great importance.
Lexus has done nothing to show the GS 450h to the world and its not like dealers are going to show you one, they rather an easy selling ES 300h.
My initial question was, how would these two models affect the sales of GS450h?
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Lexus has done an utterly awful job showcasing the GS 450h where I don't even know why they bothered. Most every owner loves their 3GS and the 4GS owners also rave about the car. Most don't give a **** about the gas savings as the other positive aspects are of great importance.
Lexus has done nothing to show the GS 450h to the world and its not like dealers are going to show you one, they rather an easy selling ES 300h.
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