BMW has the Alpina B7 [Starting @ $122K, 4.4L V-8 Engine, 500hp/516lb-ft, 0-60 in 4.5 Seconds]

Benz has the S63 AMG [Starting @ $138K, 5.5L V-8 Engine, 536hp/590lb-ft, 0-60 in 4.4 Seconds]

Audi doesn't have one, and neither does Lexus.

But do you think that Lexus will ever make an LSF? I know that the LS has F-Sport parts, but what about a Dedicated LSF? I guess we first have to see how the GSF does, before there is an LSF.

I think it will be amazing to see a Lexus LSF. The LS has a 4.6L V-8 Engine with 380hp, accelerating from 0-60 in 5.4 Seconds, with a Base Price of $66K.

I would love to an LSF with a 4.6-5.0L V-8 Engine with over 500hp, going from 0-60 in 4.4 Seconds. Base Price of $96K? ($30K Over the Base LS?). But then, what if that ruins the sales of the LS600hL?

Any thoughts?

Love these cars!!! I think it would be nice to have an LS-F with a potent V8 or V10 engine. That said an S8 with the 525hp V10 from lambo/R8 V10 would be pretty cool too (non of that detuned 5.2L V10 for the S6 putting 450ish hp).

The likely hood of of a high performance LS though is pretty low I think though. Like you said, a GS-F needs to come out first. Regardless if it came out, I think it would still be "soft" compared to BMW and MBZ just because we'll it's Lexus. Their focus tends to be more reliability meets refinement meets ease of use and tech galore.

Imo I think a 5.0L V8 may be in the cards for the next LS (2013?). Not sure it'll be hitting that 500hp mark, but surely the 400hp mark since that seems to be the new benchmark for luxo barges such as BMW and MBZ tt V8 powerplants in the 7 and S respectivley, save for the A8 which will use the 370hp 4.2L V8 and the XJ 5.0L with 375hp for the time being.

the ls doesn't have fsport support now, it has a sport version (i consider that different)

it would be cool to have lsf, but not before they have gsf and scf. they have a lot of other segment to secure before touching this very tiny part

lsf won't ruin the sales of 600hl, they are in different direction imho, one sport, one luxury. just look at s63 vs s600

Don't forget the Jaguar XJL Supersport. [Starting @ $113K, 5.0L V-8 Engine, 510hp/461lb-ft, 0-60 in 4.7 Seconds.]

It's the widest, longest, shortest (all by fractions on an inch); and lightest one compared to the Bimmer and Benz.

I would choose Brit over German for a lot of different car categories...

To be fair the S8 did exist (maybe another generation to come as well since the new A8 was just released) but it does lack in power compared to the S63/65.

The Alpina is technically not BMW, it's along the same lines as RUF. They are a car manufacturer built upon other manufacturer's designs. Alpina is not owned by BMW but have a partnership.

yeah the r8 is there but not enough to really compete with some others. kind of like their other s line cars these days. if they bring out a rs8, that's a different story

very true on alpina too, they are nothing but aftermarket company, i never consider them as bmw. nothing like bmw m or mb amg. to me it's kind of like renntech, hamann, dinan, etc...

Actually the LS has gotten support from Tom's since day one. It just isn't officially sanctioned like Alpina is by BMW. Like Alpina you need some serious coin to get a fully done LS.

http://www.tomsracing.co.jp/e/comp/lexus/index.html

Audi makes an S8 (or will)

and i don't know how that will stack up with the s63. the s4 is nothing like m3 or c63, and the s6 is nothing like m5 or e63

I agree. I don't like Audi though, I think they're **** cars. Over priced and doesn't have as much power as its competitors, like you mentioned with the s4 and s6 comparison. Plus, the interior looks bad, but thats just me.

Audi interiors are some of the nicest out there. A tad bit busy, but nice.

Audi's big thing is AWD, so that adds to the price compared to a RWD car.

This is somewhat true, the 335xi is probably the best comparison to the S4 and they're still priced 6k apart. I don't know what you get standard in the S4 over the 335xi though.

I do love some of the Audi styling and their interiors are gorgeous.

But yes the S8 doesn't quite stack up the S63/65 (it's probably a lot less expensive too).

the s63 is a 6.3 liter engine. the s55 is the one with the 5.5 liter engine. In addition, mercedes also has the s65, a monster v12 biturbo

but back on topic, yes i think one day (far in the future) Lexus will extend there F line all the way to the LS models

new s63 is now 5.5L twin turbo

Wait and see. The design philosophy is very different. The Audi uses an aluminum frame, AWD and will probably use the Lambo v-10 in some shape or form.

If you want big price tags, big HP and 2wd, then it's hard to beat MB. If you live where it's wet or cold, the AMGs could be a bad choice.

All these cars are so heavy, I cringe when I hear performance sedan.