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Old Sep 7, 2012 | 04:20 PM
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you can see the front end being very similar...
I do have to say that, once again it is not a good thing that Toyota is allowing a Lexus product to be mistaken as a Toyota by that grille design. Maybe it's really a Lexus mule considering how it's testing with luxury crossovers and not mainstream ones. Who knows really.
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Old Sep 7, 2012 | 04:49 PM
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Who knows. But the name can't be CX, that's for Mazda.
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Old Sep 7, 2012 | 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by cmk1
I do have to say that, once again it is not a good thing that Toyota is allowing a Lexus product to be mistaken as a Toyota by that grille design. Maybe it's really a Lexus mule considering how it's testing with luxury crossovers and not mainstream ones. Who knows really.
i dont know why would anyone confuse it as it clearly does not have predator grille like an lexus. it doesnt look like lexus at all.

they are testing it against luxury cars as thats what is its competition here in Europe where Rav4 is nicer and more expensive. For instance most Q3's here are sold for less than well equipped Rav4 with same engine.
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Old Sep 7, 2012 | 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by blacksc400
Who knows. But the name can't be CX, that's for Mazda.
Citroen actually used it first. And the "CX" name is still trademarked by them.

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Old Sep 7, 2012 | 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by spwolf
i dont know why would anyone confuse it as it clearly does not have predator grille like an lexus. it doesnt look like lexus at all.

they are testing it against luxury cars as thats what is its competition here in Europe where Rav4 is nicer and more expensive. For instance most Q3's here are sold for less than well equipped Rav4 with same engine.
Well I doubt they'd be doing this type of testing on an E.U. spec RAV-4 for those reasons. If they needed to do hot weather testing on a E.U.-spec or non-U.S. model, then it would done in a place like Dubai or in Southern Europe. There is a significant chance this is a Lexus mule hidden under the RAV-4, due to where it is being tested and the vehicles involved with it. I could be wrong as I'm a little confused here.

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Old Sep 7, 2012 | 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by blacksc400
Who knows. But the name can't be CX, that's for Mazda.
Mazda's CX-5 trademark dates back even 3.5 years ago to March 2009, so you're right about that being out of the question. I'm not even seeing CX name show up in trademarks associated with Lexus or Toyota J.K.K., so Lexus better be creative with the naming scheme. I doubt anyone will like the name Lexus DX3-0. Maybe even BX3-0.

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Old Sep 7, 2012 | 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by cmk1
Well I doubt they'd be doing this type of testing on an E.U. spec RAV-4 for those reasons. If they needed to do hot weather testing on a E.U.-spec or non-U.S. model, then it would done in a place like Dubai or in Southern Europe. There is a significant chance this is a Lexus mule hidden under the RAV-4, due to where it is being tested and the vehicles involved with it. I could be wrong as I'm a little confused here.
i think you are being confused... they are doing last testing on car that is going to be produced in few months and it is Rav4... they are testing it against Q3 because thats what people who buy vehicles around the world are buying it against.

There is nothing about Lexus there... it is Rav4... end of story.
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Old Sep 7, 2012 | 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by spwolf
i think you are being confused... they are doing last testing on car that is going to be produced in few months and it is Rav4... they are testing it against Q3 because thats what people who buy vehicles around the world are buying it against.

There is nothing about Lexus there... it is Rav4... end of story.
I didn't even need that. One look at the picture below and you'll note that the steering wheel is of Toyota material and not the new GS/RX/ES type. Def a Rav 4

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Old Sep 7, 2012 | 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by spwolf
this is rav4... you can see it at front grille where lights are connected with horizonal chrome bar, like in new Auris...
My first thought as well, but only one problem. The mirrors are door mounted, like most Lexuses. Here is a spyshot of the Rav4, its mirrors are window mounted:



Otherwise they look almost exactly the same.
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Old Sep 7, 2012 | 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Burns
My first thought as well, but only one problem. The mirrors are door mounted, like most Lexuses. Here is a spyshot of the Rav4, its mirrors are window mounted:



Otherwise they look almost exactly the same.
probably just different market spec...

we already almost know how rav4 looks like and this is it...

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Old Sep 7, 2012 | 08:06 PM
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Lexus does not use that kind of camo, at least I have not seen them use the black tape......
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Old Sep 7, 2012 | 09:37 PM
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Best part of this post is if it IS a RAV, they finally got rid of that doggone exterior mounted spare.
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Old Sep 7, 2012 | 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by BobBass
Best part of this post is if it IS a RAV, they finally got rid of that doggone exterior mounted spare.
they did in Europe for a while now :-)



but no spare of course, just a kit...
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Old Sep 7, 2012 | 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by spwolf
i think you are being confused... they are doing last testing on car that is going to be produced in few months and it is Rav4... they are testing it against Q3 because thats what people who buy vehicles around the world are buying it against.
There is nothing about Lexus there... it is Rav4... end of story
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That does not really matter when in the United States a luxury-oriented Audi Q5 or Range Rover Evoq is certainly NOT going to be cross-shopped with a mainstream Toyota RAV-4. Since when do U.S. customers decide if they should buy a Honda Accord or an Audi A6 instead? I have already explained that there is no point in testing a US-market Toyota against U.S.-spec luxury competitors for the tastes of European markets. A U.S.-market Audi Q5 is going to be different from it's domestic European variants, so I expect they would have conducted such comparisons in Europe. U.S.-market Toyotas already differ from the ones sold in Europe, so if that tester is really a RAV-4, then it would be tested alongside U.S.-market competitors like the Kia Sportage or the Honda CR-V. Something is definitely off concerning this test vehicle and a clever disguise has likely been applied here.

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Lexus does not use that kind of camo, at least I have not seen them use the black tape......
Yet Toyota uses the same disguise material as the Lexus models?

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Old Sep 7, 2012 | 11:35 PM
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It won't use name cx
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