Chrysler is currently being drug at mach 2 behind an out of control train screaming at the top of their lungs that they are bringing the hellcat back lol!

 

‘Dodge is bringing back V8 engines to the Charger. Choice of three different V8 engines

 

...... lol that people are lining up to buy.

 

And that won't save them because most can't afford an $80k+ vehicle.....

 

Durganos are V8 only for '26 and not that expensive.

People will buy the insane Hellcats, just like they buy Escalade Vs.

 

I agree. They need more than just a semi niche vehicle.

 

Exactly why for most people CCBs are insane cost for no benefit

You drive like an insane person, I drive like a slightly aggressive normal person. Hence what I said, for normal people...like me...CCBs are huge cost for no benefit.

 

This is important to understand, what "lining up to buy" means. Dodge is a niche carmaker who's whole identity is around muscle cars and Hemis etc. They have successfully sold ancient vehicles to that niche for that performance and feel. Taking the Hemi away from that brand makes no sense. So yeah Dodge buyers will really buy the Hemi once it comes back.

BUT, the number of Dodges sold will still be very small in the grand scheme of things. When a Dodge Charger with a Hemi outsells a 4 cyl Camry or Accord and the Durango outsells the Telluride and Grand Highlander etc, we'll talk about "Americans wanting V8s"

 

I got an X6M once. Driver said her dedicated rideshare car (Accord? can't remember) was in the shop for a new transmission, so she was driving her "personal" car in the meantime.

 

Yeah a beater car (in good condition) would be good for Uber duty.

I couldn't take dealing with wasted people. Drunk people get on my nerves and the majority of people can't really hold their liquor. Good for them for not driving.

Lol this town drunk I used to know decades ago had a system to avoid DUIs, he would have AAA tow his car home every night from the bars and ride with the driver... That is absolutely hilarious.

 

Dodge concentrates on Chargers/Challengers with the Hemi because their marketers chose to make it that way. But, like it or not, the Caravan and Grand Caravan minivans, for decades, took a big chunk of the family-minivan market....and, although losing some ground to the Sienna and Odyssey, were still selling well even when the marketers decided to drop them.

Now.....I'm not saying that Chargers and Challengers didn't sell on their own......they certainly did. But, the fact is that Caravans also sold.....yet were dropped. At one time, you could also say that Dodge trucks were also gaining in sales compared to Ford and Chevy...until the marketers completely took the Dodge nameplate away from them and renamed it the Ram Division.

 

Right, I didn't say otherwise. Chrysler chose to consolidate their minivan sales into one model, the Chrysler Pacifica (well, technically two, the Voyager also) They didn't "drop" the Caravan and Grand Caravan, they were just market clones to the Town & Country nd Chrysler decided to consolidate all the minivans into that model. You get that its all the same company right? Dodge, Chrysler Ram...doesn't matter what they call them.

They clearly positioned Dodge at that blue collar "motorhead" buyer...which is why taking the Hemi away made no sense. They were incredibly successful at selling ancient vehicles that people ONLY bought for the sound and personality of the Hemi. In the modern landlscape who else would buy a Durango, a model that is nearly 15 years old at this point?! V6 Durango, may as well buy one of the many dramatically more modern vehicles it competes with.

 

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Looks like next step is definitely a Supra HPFP. Datalogs on Stage 2 91 and 91ACN maps are pretty clean running a mix of E, minor timing corrections (less than 3 deg). One random knock detection but no real timing corrections so it should be fine.

But i tried to run the 93 Octane map because i should have the octane for it with the E85 mixed into my 91. Was getting bigger timing corrections and HPFP rail drops. So the gen 1 pump is running out of steam on my current e mixture at that map.

That said, the 91 tune is still pretty spicy. I'm probably around 420-430 whp and around 470-480 wtq.

 

reminds me of jeff foxworthy... "you might be a redneck..."

i'm guessing they're 'cheap' for what you get? a roomy 3 row suv that's likely to be very reliable.

 

maybe i missed it, but why has stellantis dumped the phev's!? i'm guessing because they lost money on them?