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Old Jan 8, 2026 | 04:00 PM
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Old Jan 8, 2026 | 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
Kind of, yeah. Sedans have gotten lower and sportier...SUVs have gotten bigger. Safety designs have increased the size requirements for vehicle structure also in sedans. Compare the A pillars of an LS400 or LS430 with the A pillars on my car, massive difference. Thats all safety.

A modern Tahoe is about a foot longer than one from 20 years ago, believe it or not. Wheelbases are also a lot longer, which helps with interior room. 2005 Tahoe was 198 inches long, 2025 is 212 inches long.

I have noticed that on mine the power rear seats use up legroom, the seats sit further forward to accommodate the seat back recline and my 2020 without power rear seat had more rear room.



Like I said before those are marketing pictures, the front seats are slid up etc, you can tell by looking at the seat rails and how far the seats are forward of the back of the console.

If you look at actual phone/camera pictures they aren't as incredibly spacious looking:

That's still roomier than a modern luxury sedan. Again, look at all the room between the 2 seats there. Head and hip and shoulder room are also going to be massive because of the inherent design of the truck.
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Old Jan 8, 2026 | 04:05 PM
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That's still roomier than a modern luxury sedan. Again, look at all the room between the 2 seats there. Head and hip and shoulder room are also going to be massive because of the inherent design of the truck.
Depends on the size of the luxury sedan. Roomier than a midsized one for sure, but not a flagship LWB one. I ride in the back of them all the time as Uber Black and Airport limos.

The trick I always do is look at the size of the floormat. The length of the floormat will tell you how much legroom the vehicle actually has.

Here's a similar actual camera photo of an S Class:


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Old Jan 8, 2026 | 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
Just going to leave all of this here lol




https://www.cheseldineauto.com/why-do-brake-rotors-warp
Well, here is a quote from what you posted.....which was exactly what I said.

Warped rotors can cause symptoms such as squeaky sounds and lead to jittery feelings in the car when brakes are applied. Such rotors also can cause the vehicle to vibrate when coming to a stop.
If warped rotors seem to be an issue, mechanics may be able to put thicker rotors into a lathe to smooth out the residue and restore an even surface – but the problem can come back. It is usually best to replace rotors if they are causing severe vibrations or issues when braking.
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Old Jan 8, 2026 | 05:26 PM
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From the same link as to what they mean when they say "warped":

Rotors cannot really warp. Automotive experts note that rotors are metal discs that are cast under extreme heat conditions. It would take a similar application of heat by the braking system for rotors to actually bend, which is impossible. Other factors make rotors appear to be warped, so describing such rotors as “warped” is an easy way to explain the problem to vehicle owners.


My point is the disc doesn't actually physically bend. They appear to be "warped" but actually are not, its pad deposits built up on the rotor surface, like I said originally.

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Old Jan 8, 2026 | 05:37 PM
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At the risk of further stirring the hornets nest I proved that rotors don't warp. I took a set that was causing severe vibration, cleaned them up with a power sander this fixed the problem. If the surface was actually warped I would have created a nice looking set of rotors that still had a uneven surfaces. They were put back in service and worked normally.
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Old Jan 8, 2026 | 05:38 PM
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If you think about the physics in play the temps required to actually warp the metal are way, way beyond what can be generated by vehicle braking.
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Old Jan 8, 2026 | 05:58 PM
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Yep. Another myth at least in my experience is you can warp a rotor via too much torque on the lug nuts/studs. The rotor hat does deform slightly (this is normal everything bends) but you won't be warping it just with lug nut/stud pressure.
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Old Jan 8, 2026 | 06:17 PM
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Yep agreed.

Well apparently Chrysler has cancelled all PHEV models including the Pacifica PHEV. So I guess we really are moving on from minivans or keeping what we’ve got.
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Old Jan 8, 2026 | 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
Yep agreed.

Well apparently Chrysler has cancelled all PHEV models including the Pacifica PHEV. So I guess we really are moving on from minivans or keeping what we’ve got.
Absolutely insane. The Pacifica PHEV is basically the only competitive vehicle Stellantis makes.

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Old Jan 8, 2026 | 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
No interest in CCBs for me on a road car
Why not?

No dust, insane lifespan, less rotating mass, better comfort, more power, faster suspension tracking, and just outright better performance when called upon. Only drawback is cost
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Old Jan 8, 2026 | 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Striker223
Why not?

No dust, insane lifespan, less rotating mass, better comfort, more power, faster suspension tracking, and just outright better performance when called upon. Only drawback is cost
Good points. Also.....no rust/corrosion.
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Old Jan 8, 2026 | 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by LeX2K
Yep. Another myth at least in my experience is you can warp a rotor via too much torque on the lug nuts/studs. The rotor hat does deform slightly (this is normal everything bends) but you won't be warping it just with lug nut/stud pressure.
Depends on how the nuts are overtorqued. If they are all overtorqued at the same rate, then, no, probably no warping. But if they are unevenly-torqued around the wheel, then warping becomes more of a possibility.
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Old Jan 8, 2026 | 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
Yep agreed.

Well apparently Chrysler has cancelled all PHEV models including the Pacifica PHEV. So I guess we really are moving on from minivans or keeping what we’ve got.
they will build cars with a gas generator now.

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Old Jan 8, 2026 | 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Striker223
Why not?

No dust, insane lifespan, less rotating mass, better comfort, more power, faster suspension tracking, and just outright better performance when called upon. Only drawback is cost
I hear brake jobs are like 10 grand at dealers for ceramics.

I'll pass, lol.
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