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Old Dec 13, 2025 | 03:49 AM
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Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
I learned through 3 years of leasing my Polestar that it doesn't matter how good the hardware is if the software is bad. Although I think Polestar does a way better job when it comes to software...they seemed to have fixed a lot of the bugs over the three years I leased it. I still had to reboot the infotainment system at least twice a month. It wasn't a big deal at the time because the thing drove and performed so well, but after owning two Tesla's, I have no tolerance for dealing with buggy software and crappy infotainment systems
I've never had anything like that in a car, I have left some of mine sitting so long they disable the passive locks etc and go into a super deep sleep including totally locking out the air suspensions. Every time though when I open a door they wake back up without any fuss and restart all systems with no glitches. It would be extremely strange and undesirable for me to have to deal with tech type issues in a car/mechanical device.
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I've never had anything like that in a car, I have left some of mine sitting so long they disable the passive locks etc and go into a super deep sleep including totally locking out the air suspensions. Every time though when I open a door they wake back up without any fuss and restart all systems with no glitches. It would be extremely strange and undesirable for me to have to deal with tech type issues in a car/mechanical device.
With EV'S, software is what runs them. If the car goes into a deep sleep state and has trouble waking up, that's an issue. Or walkaway door locks don't engage, or the car won't go into gear, that's an issue. So is sluggish or non responsive infotainment systems. Lucid hasn't seemed to be able to solve these, which is why I would never buy or lease one.

My Ioniq 5 had good software. It sucked, but it wasn't glitchy. Well, except for the software that controlled the low voltage battery, I had to take it in 3 times to get it updated
Old Dec 13, 2025 | 09:12 AM
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The thing is, though, with modern cars in general but particularly with an EV if the main failing is poor software performance it's the easiest of all issues to address. If the OEM doesn't, it's entirely on them and entirely by choice. Buyers absolutely must factor this in and buy accordingly.
Old Dec 13, 2025 | 09:21 AM
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The thing is, though, with modern cars in general but particularly with an EV if the main failing is poor software performance it's the easiest of all issues to address. If the OEM doesn't, it's entirely on them and entirely by choice. Buyers absolutely must factor this in and buy accordingly.
That's absolutely true. Which is why I'm surprised Lucid hasn't fixed these issues yet, as they do ota updates
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I remember when Lucid was launching the Air the early reviews generally noted that there were some significant UI issues and usually trotted out the "the UI wasn't great, but it's pre-release software and Lucid tell us that an update is coming that will fix everything" line they'd been fed by Lucid - and here we are with the same issues a few years in.
Old Dec 13, 2025 | 09:39 AM
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ALL moderns cars are rolling software vaults, difference is legacy vehicles are made using a different approach: modules generally can't be updated via OTA. Or at all. Anyone that says I don't want my new car to be loaded with software, too bad it already is.
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ALL moderns cars are rolling software vaults, difference is legacy vehicles are made using a different approach: modules generally can't be updated via OTA. Or at all. Anyone that says I don't want my new car to be loaded with software, too bad it already is.
This is true. My 2006 Camry SE (with the 3.3L V6) had this issue where sometimes if you were driving at low speed and needed to hit the throttle hard, the transmission would get confused, hesitate then slam into a lower gear. It was very jolting, and felt like was slamming. The first few times it happened I thought something broke. It didn't a lot, but enough times that I took it to the dealership who claimed they couldn't reproduce it. Anyway several fluid swaps, nothing fixed it. After doing some research, I found out other Camry owners were complaining about the same exact issue. Finally I got a service manager to admit it was an actual issue, it was being caused by bad programming in an ECM module, the only remedy is either an "updated" module or new transmission, but since Toyota wasn't publicly admitting it was a problem...it only happened occasionally, there was no replacement options available . Since it was a rare occurrence, maybe once or twice a month, l just lived with it.

As far as Lucid is concerned, no excuse. I think it's that sugar daddy Saudi money making them in no rush
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That issue plagued the Camry and ES at the time, it was never fixed. Oddly enough the Highlander did not have the janky throttle mapping problems even though the transmission was nearly the same.

In fairness to Lucid software is hard look at VW, they've spent billions trying to unify their stack and move into the modern era so far they've failed. Their latest attempt is to shoehorn Rivian software into their cars.
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Originally Posted by LeX2K
That issue plagued the Camry and ES at the time, it was never fixed. Oddly enough the Highlander did not have the janky throttle mapping problems even though the transmission was nearly the same.

In fairness to Lucid software is hard look at VW, they've spent billions trying to unify their stack and move into the modern era so far they've failed. Their latest attempt is to shoehorn Rivian software into their cars.
Well I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one, and not crazy.

Lucid supposably builds the hardware and software in-house, while VW uses third parties such as Bosch, so I don't know if Lucid should get a pass. Polestar which relied on Android Automotive at least fixed stuff, most things worked, although sometimes it took multiple updates
Old Dec 13, 2025 | 11:40 AM
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Janky throttle mapping was a huge issue for the ES of that gen, I just learned to live with it.
Old Dec 13, 2025 | 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
Well I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one, and not crazy.
Some people hated the unpredictable shifting and throttle response so much they got rid of the car.
Lucid supposably builds the hardware and software in-house, while VW uses third parties such as Bosch, so I don't know if Lucid should get a pass. Polestar which relied on Android Automotive at least fixed stuff, most things worked, although sometimes it took multiple updates
Not saying they should. It comes down to commitment this starts with the CEO. A common approach I see is auto makers throwing hardware at a problem assuming the software side will work itself out.
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It would be extremely strange and undesirable for me to have to deal with tech type issues in a car/mechanical device.
well respectfully, you are a mechanic who enjoys mechanical things and cars a decade+ old so they have much less software in them.

new cars are mobile git repositories.

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I swear some people think gas cars still have carburettors and points. How else to explain the argument that EVs are rolling computers but petrol cars are not. Ever modern car has some form of radar cruise, lane keep, remote access etc. if anything a gas car has more complexity have to worry about basic functions plus engine management. And emissions controls, ugh. Then there are hybrids and plug-in hybrids, even worse. EVs are stupid easy to work on most complicated thing you'll do is swapping out bearings in a drive unit. Compare that to rebuilding an engine.
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Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
This is true. My 2006 Camry SE (with the 3.3L V6) had this issue where sometimes if you were driving at low speed and needed to hit the throttle hard, the transmission would get confused, hesitate then slam into a lower gear. It was very jolting, and felt like was slamming. The first few times it happened I thought something broke. It didn't a lot, but enough times that I took it to the dealership who claimed they couldn't reproduce it. Anyway several fluid swaps, nothing fixed it. After doing some research, I found out other Camry owners were complaining about the same exact issue. Finally I got a service manager to admit it was an actual issue, it was being caused by bad programming in an ECM module, the only remedy is either an "updated" module or new transmission, but since Toyota wasn't publicly admitting it was a problem...it only happened occasionally, there was no replacement options available . Since it was a rare occurrence, maybe once or twice a month, l just lived with it.

As far as Lucid is concerned, no excuse. I think it's that sugar daddy Saudi money making them in no rush
It also plagued my 2004 RX330 I had at the time. Lexus eventually released a TSB to change the transmission programming, but I can't remember if it did anything.
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Originally Posted by LeX2K
I swear some people think gas cars still have carburettors and points. How else to explain the argument that EVs are rolling computers but petrol cars are not. Ever modern car has some form of radar cruise, lane keep, remote access etc. if anything a gas car has more complexity have to worry about basic functions plus engine management. And emissions controls, ugh. Then there are hybrids and plug-in hybrids, even worse. EVs are stupid easy to work on most complicated thing you'll do is swapping out bearings in a drive unit. Compare that to rebuilding an engine.
You keep saying this but nobody here is saying they’re not exactly what you describe.



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