What BMW engine is supposed to be this bullet-proof new generation model?
I hear a few people talk about one of the newer BMW engines that is supposedly bulletproof (B58/S58?). School me on this engine and why it's considered to robust and reliable. What are the good years for this engine?
I've never owned a BMW but thinking about it if they've got a solid, well dialed engine.
I've never owned a BMW but thinking about it if they've got a solid, well dialed engine.
Last edited by rosskoss; Nov 16, 2024 at 09:47 AM.
It's an evolutionary thing. They've been doing NA straight sixes since the dawn of time. By the time the N52 came around, it was more or less perfect. Bulletproof for 300k+ miles, with just basic maintenance. In the mid-2000's they added turbocharging to this formula and launched the N54, which had a bunch of issues with things that were new to that design. High-pressure fuel pumps, wastegates, etc. They refined the formula for the N55 and it got much better. By the time they transitioned to the B58 (which was further refined by Toyota in preparation for the A90 Supra launch) it was pretty close to perfect. It's in pretty much everything BMW makes, plus the aforementioned Supra, and has been dead reliable across literally millions of units.
The S58 (found in the M3/M4 and X3M/X4M) is just the high-performance version of the B58. Forged internals, low compression and twin turbo vs. high compression and single twin-scroll turbo. Both will hold an absurd amount of power on stock components while remaining reliable. I would daily a 700whp B58 or 1000whp S58 for the next 20 years without concern.
The S58 (found in the M3/M4 and X3M/X4M) is just the high-performance version of the B58. Forged internals, low compression and twin turbo vs. high compression and single twin-scroll turbo. Both will hold an absurd amount of power on stock components while remaining reliable. I would daily a 700whp B58 or 1000whp S58 for the next 20 years without concern.
Last edited by geko29; Nov 16, 2024 at 07:27 PM.
1000 wheel S58 is a little close for my margins, I would limit it to like 900 or so haha! God I'm temped but I would want a 7 series maxed out but you can't get the base 6 in a max spec car.....and if I bought a max spec it would make no sense to pull the V12 out and replace it with a 6.
There is a fun build going on right now with a 760 targeting stupid numbers, I'm excited to see if he gets 1400
There is a fun build going on right now with a 760 targeting stupid numbers, I'm excited to see if he gets 1400
It's an evolutionary thing. They've been doing NA straight sixes since the dawn of time. By the time the N52 came around, it was more or less perfect. Bulletproof for 300k+ miles, with just basic maintenance. In the mid-2000's they added turbocharging to this formula and launched the N54, which had a bunch of issues with things that were new to that design. High-pressure fuel pumps, wastegates, etc. They refined the formula for the N55 and it got much better. By the time they transitioned to the B58 (which was further refined by Toyota in preparation for the A90 Supra launch) it was pretty close to perfect. It's in pretty much everything BMW makes, plus the aforementioned Supra, and has been dead reliable across literally millions of units.
The S58 (found in the M3/M4 and X3M/X4M) is just the high-performance version of the B58. Forged internals, low compression and twin turbo vs. high compression and single twin-scroll turbo. Both will hold an absurd amount of power on stock components while remaining reliable. I would daily a 700whp B58 or 1000whp S58 for the next 20 years without concern.
The S58 (found in the M3/M4 and X3M/X4M) is just the high-performance version of the B58. Forged internals, low compression and twin turbo vs. high compression and single twin-scroll turbo. Both will hold an absurd amount of power on stock components while remaining reliable. I would daily a 700whp B58 or 1000whp S58 for the next 20 years without concern.
To OP, as a multiple Toyota vehicle owner, I picked up a B58 because so far it seems to be a pretty solid reliable platform.
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In general yes but i would stay away from the mild hybrid B58s if you’re planning to keep it long term. It just adds additional complexity without much benefit to help meet emissions.
The N55 i had never had any issues while my X3 with B58 needed oil.
The current X3 has updated B58 with hybrid, so far all good.
The N55 i had never had any issues while my X3 with B58 needed oil.
The current X3 has updated B58 with hybrid, so far all good.
Uh how? Have you ever tried to get a high score tank? That's crazy low for a 6 IMO, worse than my 12 cyl cars by a couple of MPG
I also get similar results in my X3 with the same engine, even with the extra load of the transfer case and other drive line components from the X Drive system.














