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Old Jul 28, 2024 | 03:08 PM
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1992 Jaguar XJ6 Vanden Plas Specifications

Engine:242.9-cu-in/3980cc DOHC I-6, port fuel injection

Power and Torque:SAE net 223 hp @ 4750 rpm, 278 lb-ft @ 3650 rpm


That's impressive for 1992, more torque than the V8 LS400. Enough worth mentioning!
Old Jul 28, 2024 | 03:15 PM
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Yep, but I’ve heard that those 90s Jags are very cramped inside. Shame because the styling is so beautiful.
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Originally Posted by Carfan94
Yep, but I’ve heard that those 90s Jags are very cramped inside. Shame because the styling is so beautiful.
Whew... notice all the curves on the hood and the one wiper!





Old Jul 28, 2024 | 03:37 PM
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289lb/ft....... from an inline 6NA.
https://testdrivejunkie.com/1995-jag...an-test-drive/
Old Jul 28, 2024 | 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
Its a minivan. For most buyers the quality of the interior materials isn't an issue.
....but leaking sunroofs are.
Old Jul 28, 2024 | 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by LH1
That side profile is not good. Was that a 530e?
don't know... i dozed off before looking.

C7 Vette is so damn good looking.
sure is... love the quad center pipes!

so the c8 may be more capable, but i think the c7 was/is an epic design.
Old Jul 28, 2024 | 04:25 PM
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I agree, I would rather have a C7. C8 just doesn't feel "Corvette" to me
Old Jul 28, 2024 | 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
I agree, I would rather have a C7. C8 just doesn't feel "Corvette" to me
I agree with that despite me trying to order a ZR1.
Old Jul 28, 2024 | 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
I agree, I would rather have a C7. C8 just doesn't feel "Corvette" to me
I agree, I got into an argument with coworkers over this. They think I’m some weird alien for preferring the C7 to the C8!
Old Jul 28, 2024 | 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
I agree, I would rather have a C7. C8 just doesn't feel "Corvette" to me

I have to agree with Steve on this one. With the possible exception of the Porsche Boxster, I've never liked the feel and driving dynamics of mid or rear-engine cars, the way they track on straight even roads, and of having all that weight just behind the driver, particularly in a crash. Their seating-quarters tend to be extremely cramped, and, in some cases I've seen (not all) the engines run very hot even with cooling-slots in the sheet metal.
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Mid engined cars are incredible, but a mid engined Corvette just doesn’t do it for me.
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
Mid engined cars are incredible, but a mid engined Corvette just doesn’t do it for me.

They are probably at their best on a rural, very winding two-lane road, where the center of gravity makes for ultra-quick handling. And braking is helped because the weight of the vehicle is centered more or less equally on all for wheels as the dynamics pitch forward, instead of overloading the front brakes as on front-engine vehicles. That's one reason (among several) why Porsches have traditionally had very short stopping distances. But, other than that, I see little benefit to mid/rear-engine designs.
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
They are probably at their best on a rural, very winding two-lane road, where the center of gravity makes for ultra-quick handling. And braking is helped because the weight of the vehicle is centered more or less equally on all for wheels as the dynamics pitch forward, instead of overloading the front brakes as on front-engine vehicles. That's one reason (among several) why Porsches have traditionally had very short stopping distances. But, other than that, I see little benefit to mid/rear-engine designs.
Power to the ground is better
Polar moment of inertia is better
Brake and tire packages are evenly sized
Body is stiffer
Wheelbase for given size is wider and larger
Engine can be physically much taller with no drag issue
Less drag
Less car in front of you to adjust turn in
Faster turn in
Faster braking
Faster transitions

That's all that comes to mind right now
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Originally Posted by Striker223
Power to the ground is better
Polar moment of inertia is better
Brake and tire packages are evenly sized
Body is stiffer
Wheelbase for given size is wider and larger
Engine can be physically much taller with no drag issue
Less drag
Less car in front of you to adjust turn in
Faster turn in
Faster braking
Faster transitions

That's all that comes to mind right now

Like I said above, I agree with several of those points...not necessarily all. But, to me, the cons of mid-engine design outweigh the pros....I'm not into that driving style.
Old Jul 28, 2024 | 06:58 PM
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Striker pretty much nails it with his list but if there's one other thing that sticks in the mind from my time with my two 911s it's the steering. Mine were both RWD so you had the general RWD benefit of not steering with driven wheels, but the lower weight at the front made the steering an absolute joy. Precise, fast, immense feel, tremendous feedback and fun. Mid and rear engined cars are very, very special.



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