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Old Jul 15, 2024 | 07:27 AM
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12v warning or not I drove the R1S into the office today. I have an appointment for next Wed via mobile which means i have to reschedule a blood donation, but it's better than the August date they were trying to give me before. The good news is that even if I had to go to service center, the one in Blauvelt NY is open and despite being 90 minutes away, its much better than driving to the horrible location in Brooklyn

it said to expect lower efficiency but I was getting the same as usual on the way in. I'm going to avoid checking the app until I need to go to the car to avoid unnecessary waking.

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Old Jul 15, 2024 | 09:28 AM
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The problem is, if the 12v battery fails, it will brick the car, even if the HV battery is full. Happened with my previous 2020 Ioniq EV. Had to jump it to get it on the truck bed. Not sure why most EV'S still use lead acid, which is more prone to failure
When our Model 3 12v died with no warning it was horrible. Got stranded at work and had to Uber home after duct taping the window that was stuck cracked open since rain was coming. Mobile service came a couple days later and went through their procedure to replace it and got stuck when the car inexplicably refused to accept unlock commands. Had to get towed to a service center.

Tesla has switched some (all?) to Li 12v batteries. Hopefully that will help it be more reliable. The most frustrating part is I would have changed it earlier except I had the false sense of security from knowing it would warn me

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Old Jul 15, 2024 | 09:46 AM
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When our Model 3 12v died with no warning it was horrible. Got stranded at work and had to Uber home after duct taping the window that was stuck cracked open since rain was coming. Mobile service came a couple days later and went through their procedure to replace it and got stuck when the car inexplicably refused to accept unlock commands. Had to get towed to a service center.

Tesla has switched some (all?) to Li 12v batteries. Hopefully that will help it be more reliable. The most frustrating part is I would have changed it earlier except I had the false sense of security from knowing it would warn me

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Yep, been there, done that . My wife's 2020 Ioniq's 12v decided to die early, left her stranded at work. Hyundai sent a tow truck, but we couldn't get it on the bed because wheels were locked, and no power to get into the screen to put it in "tow mode". Luckily the tow truck drivers quick thinking when he saw the 12v battery and pulled out a portable jumper...that did the trick and we got it on the truck bed and it was dropped off at the Hyundai dealership (Friday night). This was during COVID, so I had to make a bunch of calls to the dealership, but got the battery changed the next day.

Tesla has gone to a 14v Li ion which is much smaller, lighter and less prone to failure
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I appreciate the early warning from Rivian, but more detail would've been welcome. If it's dying, how much life do I have in it? When I asked if I could drive it, the response was a vague non answer. I figure, if it dies, I get a free tow and get the car fixed sooner
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I appreciate the early warning from Rivian, but more detail would've been welcome. If it's dying, how much life do I have in it? When I asked if I could drive it, the response was a vague non answer. I figure, if it dies, I get a free tow and get the car fixed sooner
At least you got a warning. The only warning we got from the Ioniq was a few days before the car was acting funny, doors wouldn't unlock right away, start button wouldn't respond etc. Then the day the LV batter died my wife got stuck, the interior lights were acting funny and the car just died
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At least you got a warning. The only warning we got from the Ioniq was a few days before the car was acting funny, doors wouldn't unlock right away, start button wouldn't respond etc. Then the day the LV batter died my wife got stuck, the interior lights were acting funny and the car just died
Yeah that stinks. You'd think 12v management would be easier with computers on wheels. Apparently, earlier Rivians had 2 12vs but they later changed to 1 12v and a big capacitor in place of the 2nd. I wonder what mine has in it.
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Old Jul 16, 2024 | 08:03 AM
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12v issues are pervasive, far too commonplace for one of the lowest tech components in an EV. 12v batteries have been a problem with F150 Lightnings too, but the main issue has been the battery monitoring system rather than the battery itself. The BMS was failing in two ways, under-reporting the 12v SoC causing software updates to refuse to install and then over-reporting the SoC at other times causing the charging system to think there was no need to top it up. The fix was a BMS sensor replacement and there was a customer satisfaction program that took care of it.
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Before watching this video - well how hard could it be to change the 12v?
After watching the video - now I understand why they said the Gen 1 R1 lines are over-engineered / over complicated
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Best efficiency I've seen since getting the R1S. Had a nice stretch of slow, but flowing traffic

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Gjeebs takes his Rivian on a long trip. Interesting to say the least

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Gjeebs takes his Rivian on a long trip. Interesting to say the least

https://youtu.be/ysp-UYlwamI?si=-tdXp_DT5i1Gr6X0
Just a quick comment, EA is pretty pointless to me, I have no idea how they even still exist. Everything negative related to EV's probably came from using an EA fast charger
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Old Jul 22, 2024 | 05:59 AM
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Just a quick comment, EA is pretty pointless to me, I have no idea how they even still exist. Everything negative related to EV's probably came from using an EA fast charger
Ain't that the truth. Small amount of chargers per location, chargers always down or slow, etc.

That's why we haven't done many long trips in the Rivian. EA reliability in the NE is weak at best and even Tesla SCs tend to be V2.

Side note: I saw 4 other Rivians driving into the office today. My portfolio is happy to see more popping up

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Ain't that the truth. Small amount of chargers per location, chargers always down or slow, etc.

That's why we haven't done many long trips in the Rivian. EA reliability in the NE is weak at best and even Tesla SCs tend to be V2.

Side note: I saw 4 other Rivians driving into the office today. My portfolio is happy to see more popping up
An R1T or R1S would be the perfect travel vehicle if they didn't have to rely on crappy infrastructure like EA. This is one of the factors pushing me more into the Tesla camp. I know 100 percent I can travel in all the Western States without even thinking about it. We are doing a last minute trip to Santa Barbara this Friday, and I would think twice taking our Polestar or Ioniq
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$200 for an adapter and you're good to go with Tesla SCs. You'll have to consider parking arrangements if you get into a busy SC, but you guys have plenty of V3 and V4 superchargers over there.
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We're doing a longer stretch from NJ to Boston over Thanksgiving and if it wasn't for the adapter and SC access, we would've taken the Ody. It's only a 1 stop trip and there are some non-Tesla chargers along the way but it's nice to have one that I can trust to work.
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