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Old Aug 25, 2023 | 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Lwerewolf
What's the problem with lead acid for 12v? Horses for courses.

I wouldn't call the model 3's charging curves "technologically advanced" nowadays.
It's big and heavy, and has a higher failure rates. In our 2020 Ioniq EV it failed in 6 months.

I'm not taking about charging curves, but charging infrastructure. Non Tesla charging sucks
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Old Aug 25, 2023 | 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by LeX2K
Toyota created that market it didn't fall from the sky. This is something you simply don't get, emerging markets don't happen by themselves it takes a company to create the future. Prius should have been what the Model 3 is Toyota blew it.
i think you're just making it up as you go... i have a lot of experience in executive marketing roles (as well as tech roles) and absolutely 'get it'. you just turn everything into whining about how toyota blew it. which is not the topic we started on.

i'm done.
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Old Aug 25, 2023 | 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Lwerewolf
The current gen prius is selling pretty well over here - in the guise of the 2l Corolla wagon.
Toyota doesn't like selling wagons in North America, people don't want them? Obscure fact: In the early 70's a Toyota wagon was called a van in the owners manual maybe due to translation.
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
bz4x is a solution looking for a problem.
more like a problem looking for more problems.
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more like a problem looking for more problems.
I think they just ran out of AA batteries
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Old Aug 27, 2023 | 01:02 AM
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Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
I know everyone has their own individual needs, but with Model 3 pricing so low, having better tech, driving dynamics and features and the Prius being so...boring, I just can't see buying one unless you really have this compelling need to drive 500 miles non stop.

This is the exact reason why I bought a Prius several years ago. I think it said the fuel range was over 550 miles on 1 tank. At the time I had a daily commute of 200 miles round trip and it only took two tanks of gas weekly (1,000 miles per week) for the Prius. $40/week in gas. I was averaging 52-56mpg on my daily highway commute. I could get easily get 550 miles on one tank. Once went 600 miles on a tank but was in town driving.

On vacation I rent Model 3s but I couldn’t live with one. I share some of the reservations the OP mentioned in the Model 3 rental thread.
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Originally Posted by BayeauxLex
This is the exact reason why I bought a Prius several years ago. I think it said the fuel range was over 550 miles on 1 tank. At the time I had a daily commute of 200 miles round trip and it only took two tanks of gas weekly (1,000 miles per week) for the Prius. $40/week in gas. I was averaging 52-56mpg on my daily highway commute. I could get easily get 550 miles on one tank. Once went 600 miles on a tank but was in town driving.

On vacation I rent Model 3s but I couldn’t live with one. I share some of the reservations the OP mentioned in the Model 3 rental thread.
I'm glad it works for you. I fully understand EV's are not for everyone. The OP's situation is a bit different though, where he rented, there was very limited charging infrastructure, and whatever was there was not maintained well, and slow. Honestly as someone who has taken the plunge and now owns four EV'S, I would have rented a Prius over the Model 3 if was in his shoes
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Originally Posted by BayeauxLex
This is the exact reason why I bought a Prius several years ago. I think it said the fuel range was over 550 miles on 1 tank. At the time I had a daily commute of 200 miles round trip and it only took two tanks of gas weekly (1,000 miles per week) for the Prius. $40/week in gas. I was averaging 52-56mpg on my daily highway commute. I could get easily get 550 miles on one tank. Once went 600 miles on a tank but was in town driving.

On vacation I rent Model 3s but I couldn’t live with one. I share some of the reservations the OP mentioned in the Model 3 rental thread.
I had the same thing back in the day when I was outside sales for industrial electronics. There were days I had to trip out over 300 miles into the middle of nowhere to look at a machine at a factory.

Miles and miles of country and I had a company car Ford Focus that I can gas up as needed anywhere.

Long commutes it makes sense to have a hybrid or ice for that matter but hybrid may do better on gas. Imo
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Originally Posted by Margate330
I had the same thing back in the day when I was outside sales for industrial electronics. There were days I had to trip out over 300 miles into the middle of nowhere to look at a machine at a factory.

Miles and miles of country and I had a company car Ford Focus that I can gas up as needed anywhere.

Long commutes it makes sense to have a hybrid or ice for that matter but hybrid may do better on gas. Imo
If you have good infrastructure, it doesn't matter the distance. Driving to my brother's house in SoCal which is 380 miles, it's two stops under 15 minutes each in my Model Y. By the time I use the restroom and stretch my legs, it's time to move on
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With that being said I drive my PHEV mostly like an EV but I like knowing I have ⛽️ as a backup.



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Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
If you have good infrastructure, it doesn't matter the distance. Driving to my brother's house in SoCal which is 380 miles, it's two stops under 15 minutes each in my Model Y. By the time I use the restroom and stretch my legs, it's time to move on
That's not bad at all @AMIRZA786 .

I have a feeling in the furure the chargers will be as commin as gas pumps in the rural areas.

Originally Posted by BayeauxLex
With that being said I drive my PHEV mostly like an EV but I like knowing I have ⛽️ as a backup.


Phevs are interesting to me.
I don't know too much about them but if they will go 10-20 miles on a charge, that covers 99% of my driving and then have ICE for holiday traveling.

I like it.
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Old Aug 28, 2023 | 06:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Margate330
That's not bad at all @AMIRZA786 .

I have a feeling in the furure the chargers will be as commin as gas pumps in the rural areas.



Phevs are interesting to me.
I don't know too much about them but if they will go 10-20 miles on a charge, that covers 99% of my driving and then have ICE for holiday traveling.

I like it.
to date, my highest EV range on highway running AC has been 42 miles. That’s going 65-70mph. My highest EV range in stop and go around town was 55 miles also with AC on.

in my town, there’s only 1 Tesla supercharging station and it has 7 stalls. The other supercharging stations are 54, 67, 71, 82+ miles away.
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Originally Posted by BayeauxLex
to date, my highest EV range on highway running AC has been 42 miles. That’s going 65-70mph. My highest EV range in stop and go around town was 55 miles also with AC on.

in my town, there’s only 1 Tesla supercharging station and it has 7 stalls. The other supercharging stations are 54, 67, 71, 82+ miles away.
that's great. covers a lot of commute trips so no gas needed at all until you take a longer trip, then no gas stops either unless it's a HUGE distance. friend has a jeep wrangler xe (plugin). it gets about 35 miles on ev. he's in hawaii so he puts in gas about twice a year.
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I used to think PHEV's were a good intermediate solution, but now I think they're just the worst of both worlds. You get ICE maintenance along with battery concerns. I now think it's better to just pick a side.
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Originally Posted by Mike728
I used to think PHEV's were a good intermediate solution, but now I think they're just the worst of both worlds. You get ICE maintenance along with battery concerns. I now think it's better to just pick a side.
I'm of the same mind. Whichever works best for your needs. Because I have availability of chargers both at home and on the road, full Bev works for me. For example, we went to a friend's house yesterday who lives more than 50 miles away. Left with 70 percent charge, got home with 30 percent, plugged in before I went inside the house. About to leave for work on full.

Btw, I'll be dropping a i4 review shortly. Got to spend a little time in my friends yesterday
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