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don't really know what that means, what would be the point in that?
Best selling Prius looks like this
Shaped like an egg, not exactly a speed demon but people didn't care it is extremely efficient tons of room for people and cargo. You ask what would be the point Toyota making a car most people don't want? See the Mirai. Current gen Prius will sell maybe 25,000 this year.
obviously toyota wants to sell them. i doubt the numbers are very good though, but i've not looked. i'm sure rav4 and corolla hybrid models trounce it in sales.
So what is the point of Toyota making this car? You asked the question what's the answer?
You ask what would be the point Toyota making a car most people don't want? See the Mirai. Current gen Prius will sell maybe 25,000 this year.
So what is the point of Toyota making this car? You asked the question what's the answer?
you stated "New Prius is made to please people that will never buy one." meaning that was toyota's objective, which makes no sense at all. as for the mirai, that was an experiment, not comparable.
the old prius was certainly practical and cheap to own/run, but times have changed. toyota (obviously) felt they needed to be more stylish to appeal to buyers (whether prior owners or new conquests). the prius was out for a long time before they had a corolla hybrid which kinda fills those shoes, plus the rav4 hybrid which is extremely popular, so there's no need for toyota to compete with itself, so they figured a stylish hybrid might be worth a shot. and of course there's ev's to compete against too, although the prius is still a pretty cheap vehicle. again, i don't know how well it's selling, but seems like a reasonable strategy. you can't look at individual models and changes without considering the whole market and its changes. well you can, but it's pointless/flawed.
want practical hybrid? get a rav4 or corolla. want stylish hybrid? get a prius. so that's what i believe the 'point' was.
you stated "New Prius is made to please people that will never buy one." meaning that was toyota's objective,
Toyota made a swoopy Prius thinking that will bring all the kids to the yard when in reality Prius owners don't care about styling they care about functionality. History PROVES this. Toyota made a mistake.
which makes no sense at all. as for the mirai, that was an experiment, not comparable.
Toyota was convinced hydrogen was the future of the company and spent billions as a result.
“We’re going to shift from limited production to mass production, reduce the amount of expensive materials like platinum used in FCV components, and make the system more compact and powerful,” Yoshikazu Tanaka, chief engineer of the Mirai, said in an interview with Reuters.
Toyota fully expected Mirai to be produced en masse. There have been 2 generations so far you don't that as an "experiment".
the old prius was certainly practical and cheap to own/run, but times have changed. toyota (obviously) felt they needed to be more stylish to appeal to buyers (whether prior owners or new conquests). the prius was out for a long time before they had a corolla hybrid which kinda fills those shoes, plus the rav4 hybrid which is extremely popular, so there's no need for toyota to compete with itself, so they figured a stylish hybrid might be worth a shot. and of course there's ev's to compete against too, although the prius is still a pretty cheap vehicle. again, i don't know how well it's selling, but seems like a reasonable strategy. you can't look at individual models and changes without considering the whole market and its changes. well you can, but it's pointless/flawed.
want practical hybrid? get a rav4 or corolla. want stylish hybrid? get a prius. so that's what i believe the 'point' was.
So......Toyota purposely made a car that won't steal sales from other models? New Prius should have been all electric, new car new BEV platform.
Really I do. Lol
At the rate I'm going, don't know if I'll live long enough to be enthused about a touchscreen operated car.
Unless I have a big change of heart.
I should go down and drive a Tesla just to find out.
This one's for you brother
If you seriously want to test drive a Tesla, I can send you a referral link...I'll get Tesla credits and you'll get the best driving experience of your life
Toyota made a swoopy Prius thinking that will bring all the kids to the yard when in reality Prius owners don't care about styling they care about functionality. History PROVES this. Toyota made a mistake.
since the 'kids' didn't buy prior priuses (mostly by frugal older people who hate cars lol), your logic doesn't flow. you're looking at things via the rear view mirror. the market is ENTIRELY different vs the times when prius was more popular and had a unique spot in the market.
Toyota fully expected Mirai to be produced en masse. There have been 2 generations so far you don't that as an "experiment".
*eventually* they hoped/expected, but clearly they were made in such tiny numbers and in the u.s. they were 'given' away in california and still no one wanted them. it's easy to look backwards and say they shouldn't have tried. like you, i have argued that hydrogen cars won't be successful in most of the world until there's infrastructure and more commitment. obviously getting hydrogen from fossil fuels isn't the answer but it could be good to capture energy from excess renewables, but that's a different topic.
So......Toyota purposely made a car that won't steal sales from other models?
last time, they didn't have a huge line up of mainstream hybrids when the prius was hot. now they do so can make the prius more 'niche'.
New Prius should have been all electric, new car new BEV platform.
it's really too bad you're not running toyota since you have all the answers.
because of Akio Toyodas “no more boring cars” stupidity, the new Prius engine is extremely loud and obnoxious. That alone will push Prius buyers into a Tesla
since the 'kids' didn't buy prior priuses (mostly by frugal older people who hate cars lol), your logic doesn't flow. you're looking at things via the rear view mirror. the market is ENTIRELY different vs the times when prius was more popular and had a unique spot in the market.
Toyota created that market it didn't fall from the sky. This is something you simply don't get, emerging markets don't happen by themselves it takes a company to create the future. Prius should have been what the Model 3 is Toyota blew it.
you're looking at things via the rear view mirror.
Really? I've been saying for 5+ YEARS Toyota needs to dump their stupid H2 push and go EV.
*eventually* they hoped/expected, but clearly they were made in such tiny numbers and in the u.s. they were 'given' away in california and still no one wanted them. it's easy to look backwards and say they shouldn't have tried.
Many years ago Elon said H2 is "extremely silly" and will become more and more clear. Toyota didn't listen.
it's really too bad you're not running toyota since you have all the answers.
Everyone and their dog knew the direction Toyota was going was terrible even TOYOTA finally realized it and replaced a guy with the last name Toyoda something I said should happen years before it did.
Originally Posted by Tdes395
because of Akio Toyodas “no more boring cars” stupidity, the new Prius engine is extremely loud and obnoxious. That alone will push Prius buyers into a Tesla
Exactly.
It's ridiculous to claim, well Toyota didn't know what would happen. That's the problem they should have. 8 years ago
Toyota created that market it didn't fall from the sky. This is something you simply don't get, emerging markets don't happen by themselves it takes a company to create the future. Prius should have been what the Model 3 is Toyota blew it.
Really? I've been saying for 5+ YEARS Toyota needs to dump their stupid H2 push and go EV.
Many years ago Elon said H2 is "extremely silly" and will become more and more clear. Toyota didn't listen.
Everyone and their dog knew the direction Toyota was going was terrible even TOYOTA finally realized it and replaced a guy with the last name Toyoda something I said should happen years before it did.
Elon was right. That's why Tesla's market cap is $757B and it sells 500,000 BEV's per quarter. I still disagree with him on removal of parking sensors, but that's an argument for another thread
The current gen prius is selling pretty well over here - in the guise of the 2l Corolla wagon.
Elon has proven to be "just a little bit" of a manchild as of late (a certain recent acquisition kind of... set him on fire to prove himself or something), but you don't need to buy a Tesla if you want an EV - although I wouldn't attribute the whole company to a single guy. Don't mind his cybertruck or roadster ideas - just add some freaking tactile things to the interior damn it >_<. A friend is looking into ioniqs right now (5, very possibly 6), the model 3 was 1) slower to charge and 2) supposedly "rode like ******".
The current gen prius is selling pretty well over here - in the guise of the 2l Corolla wagon.
Elon has proven to be "just a little bit" of a manchild as of late (a certain recent acquisition kind of... set him on fire to prove himself or something), but you don't need to buy a Tesla if you want an EV - although I wouldn't attribute the whole company to a single guy. Don't mind his cybertruck or roadster ideas - just add some freaking tactile things to the interior damn it >_<. A friend is looking into ioniqs right now (5, very possibly 6), the model 3 was 1) slower to charge and 2) supposedly "rode like ******".
The Ioniq 5 and 6 are very good EV'S, especially for people who like controls separately from the screen. Also Hyundai has softer suspension, and road isolation. But that said, Tesla's are superior technologically and charging infrastructure. For example, Ioniq 5 and 6 still use 12v lead acid low voltage batteries....why? That's a big point of failure, they don't last as long, and they are bigger and heavier. For people like my wife who uses it as her commute and short trips car, and also for people who like controls outside of the infotainment screen, it's a perfect car. But I would only lease, as they are overpriced IMO
