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Old Jan 25, 2024 | 04:15 AM
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Originally Posted by LeX2K
I've said many times I think Tesla needs to tweak their styling a bit more often, this fools people into thinking a given model is new. One of the oldest tricks in the book, auto makers claim their car is "all new' when in reality it is anything but. Highland is 70% new but looks very similar. I question why Tesla didn't update the Model Y first, I think this was a mistake.
highland was way more than a tweak. huge changes. y need the same. x looks funky from some angles, like the wheelbase is too small. i'm sure the falcon doors hurt sales more than help.

And I'll say it again, Tesla's goal is AI in their cars and other machines. If you don't think they can pull that off then I would advise investing in a different company. Yes Tesla tries my patience but then I look at how patience has rewarded me.
AI development is unpredictable. and that still has to turn into capabilities that average people think are worth having. "full self driving" for example probably makes most people uncomfortable, costs a lot, and probably results in very very few sales.

for tesla to grow it has to appeal to the masses, not the enthusiasts. and it is to a degree, but when a stock is priced for meteoric growth, it becomes harder and harder to meet the expectations.

Old Jan 25, 2024 | 05:31 AM
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Tesla's key differentiators right now is the Supercharging network and regular OTA updates. Frequency and reliability of OTAs is going to be very safe for a while, but with SCs opening up to everyone this year and becoming the standard plug by 2025 and it's going to get much more interesting in the space

With my R1S, the worst part about it is DCFC in the Northeast. Just insufficient numbers and overall pretty poor reliability. Everything else - ride quality, interior quality, UI, etc. is either on par or better than what I had in my 3 or experienced in my MIL's 2022 X. Lack of service centers is the 2nd worst part of the experience for Rivian
Old Jan 25, 2024 | 05:45 AM
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I listened to the first 30 minutes of the earnings call while driving and one thing I thought was interesting was Elon's comment about how they replaced around 300,000 lines of C++ code with the ability for it to now flow into the neural network. I believe this was centered around camera use and the concept of "vision."

I understand the concept and benefits this provides in the move to autonomous driving, but I don't understand the use case for vision beyond that. But it sounds to me like someone in Tesla has other thoughts.
Old Jan 25, 2024 | 05:50 AM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
i agree that tesla's biggest problem is consumer education (the lack of it).

if you get people driving ev's, getting questions answered, they'll be much more likely to buy one.

i'd bet 99% of people have never driven an ev.
I think I heard the CFO say they were working on more aggressive campaigns to educate around total cost of ownership, and it sounded to me like marketing is coming or happening. The reality is the price point of the 3 and Y is extremely attractive and very comparable to main stream cars like Camry, Accord, etc. For the average person commuting to/from work and driving around town for errands, there is no barrier to EV ownership. Someone (like me 10 years ago) driving 1k miles/week for work, not so viable, even with a great super charging network. But those folks are in the minority.
Old Jan 25, 2024 | 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
I definitely now think Tesla needs to put efforts in advertising and education. Lexus has yearly driving events that attract a lot of people, they let you drive everything in their lineup. That's how I got hands my on an LC500, RCF, and an LS500. Tesla should do something similar, talk about the car, it's features, let them kick the tires and drive it.
When they opened the first of 2 service centers in my area, they sent me an email encouraging us to come in and take a test drive. I have no idea how they got my email address, but it did get me to go in. That's when the Y was at its highest price (~$70k), so we weren't very interested in buying, just checking it and the 3 out. I would call that cost effective advertising.

My company used to spend millions on advertising, even several Super Bowl commercials back in our heyday. Now, it's all social media driven, but once in awhile we partner with our vendors and show up the old fashioned way. I think most people know what Tesla sells. Spending money on advertising probably wouldn't give them much of a return on investment.
Old Jan 25, 2024 | 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
for tesla to grow it has to appeal to the masses, not the enthusiasts. and it is to a degree, but when a stock is priced for meteoric growth, it becomes harder and harder to meet the expectations.
Do you think Tesla is a niche auto maker? And about growth, what has happened in that regard?
Old Jan 25, 2024 | 10:28 AM
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In regards to advertising and education....not needed in California LoL, my drive this morning, it's just freaking crazy how many Tesla's are on the road here. Maybe other parts of North America that money would be better spent.

Hoping Tesla will keep prices on Model 3 and Y at current or even lower pricing. In the short term revenue takes a hit, but as batteries and manufacturing become cheaper, revenue will increase over time. On pricing, Tesla has hit a sweet spot, the number of new 3 and Y's I'm seeing here, as well as one their best quarters shows the price is right.

BTW, this morning saw a truck load of Highland Model 3's heading for the Fremont factory. I could tell they were Highland by the Tesla lettering on the trunk. One of them had a slightly different looking spoiler
Old Jan 25, 2024 | 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
One of them had a slightly different looking spoiler
That's probably just a bigger than usual panel gap
Old Jan 25, 2024 | 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by swajames
That's probably just a bigger than usual panel gap
Eh, one person's panel gap is another's spoiler 🤣
Old Jan 25, 2024 | 12:57 PM
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Damn...TSLA took a pretty big hit. Ouch. Well, looks like I won't be buying that second Tesla this year 😢
Old Jan 25, 2024 | 01:06 PM
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Well I did tell you to sell, remember? 😑
Old Jan 25, 2024 | 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by LeX2K
Well I did tell you to sell, remember? 😑
I have slow reflexes. Give an old man a break, will you? 🤣
Old Jan 25, 2024 | 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
I have slow reflexes. Give an old man a break, will you? 🤣
Sell covered calls if you think TSLA isn't going up in the near future.
Old Jan 25, 2024 | 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by T-Rex06
Sell covered calls if you think TSLA isn't going up in the near future.
I'm in for the long haul. Always have been
Old Jan 25, 2024 | 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by LeX2K
I wonder if we're going to see another black swan event market crash aka buying opportunity early this year like we did last year.
All signs point to yes for TSLA.

In other news Microsoft passed Apple in market cap today.



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