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Old Jan 11, 2024 | 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
I wouldn't say it makes the car less safe. It forces you to keep your eyes on the road, and seems to have fixed phantom braking, which is completely unsafe
Does it really track your eyes or just making sure both hands are on the wheel, if I can please ask?
Old Jan 11, 2024 | 10:22 PM
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Does it really track your eyes or just making sure both hands are on the wheel, if I can please ask?
it either tracks your eyes or head direction, not sure. I’ll have to try and look straight but move my eyeballs to the far right haha

I also tried to cover the camera with my finger and it was very angry
Old Jan 11, 2024 | 10:24 PM
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Does it really track your eyes or just making sure both hands are on the wheel, if I can please ask?
The camera in the front tracks your eyes as far as I know. As far as hands on the wheel, it requires at least one hand when using Autopilot with auto steer enabled
Old Jan 11, 2024 | 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
I wouldn't say it makes the car less safe.
If you REALLY want to cut down on accidents make it impossible for smart phones to function when the car is moving at speed. Why is that allowed? Government forces Tesla to nag you more but does nothing to fix a dangerous problem, using a phone while driving is worse than drunk driving. This isn't about safety it's about punishing Tesla. From what I've read the nags make driving more distracting you concentrate on the alerts instead of your surroundings you have to drive like a zombie.
It forces you to keep your eyes on the road, and seems to have fixed phantom braking, which is completely unsafe
Phantom braking is a separate issue.
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Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
The camera in the front tracks your eyes as far as I know. As far as hands on the wheel, it requires at least one hand when using Autopilot with auto steer enabled
Tesla wheels can’t even sense your hand on there. It requires some kind of resistance against your hand which is annoying. That means you have to either shake the wheel side to side to let it know or move the volume control wheel. On other cars you would simply only need to touch the wheel for it to know
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Originally Posted by RXSF
Tesla wheels can’t even sense your hand on there. It requires some kind of resistance against your hand which is annoying. That means you have to either shake the wheel side to side to let it know or move the volume control wheel. On other cars you would simply only need to touch the wheel for it to know
if Tesla had capacitive sensor, then they would complain how it is too easy to circumvent.

I am surprised that nobody made a test on how different manufacturers treat this differently, Teslas Autosteer became one of the most nagging systems on the road.
Also, quite often it is political editors of publications writing about this, which tells you all you need to know.
Old Jan 12, 2024 | 04:26 AM
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Originally Posted by RXSF
Tesla wheels can’t even sense your hand on there. It requires some kind of resistance against your hand which is annoying. That means you have to either shake the wheel side to side to let it know or move the volume control wheel. On other cars you would simply only need to touch the wheel for it to know
I agree, the resistance part is annoying because you have to provide some kind of resistance and it can’t be too light or too much. If you provide too much it will shut autosteer off which is annoying.

With that being said, I am not sure if my car has the latest autopilot update because I tried turning my head this morning and it acted no different. I just took my car to the service center and I would assume if it didn’t have the latest update they would install it.
Old Jan 12, 2024 | 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by LeX2K
If you REALLY want to cut down on accidents make it impossible for smart phones to function when the car is moving at speed. Why is that allowed? Government forces Tesla to nag you more but does nothing to fix a dangerous problem, using a phone while driving is worse than drunk driving. This isn't about safety it's about punishing Tesla. From what I've read the nags make driving more distracting you concentrate on the alerts instead of your surroundings you have to drive like a zombie.

Phantom braking is a separate issue.
It now does exactly what you are saying...keeps you from focusing on your phone while driving. I don't see the issue here
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Originally Posted by RXSF
Tesla wheels can’t even sense your hand on there. It requires some kind of resistance against your hand which is annoying. That means you have to either shake the wheel side to side to let it know or move the volume control wheel. On other cars you would simply only need to touch the wheel for it to know
I don't use Autosteer, only Autopilot as I prefer to steer myself, so I have no experience with that
Old Jan 12, 2024 | 09:34 AM
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So one thing that Ford and GM do well is actual hands free highway driving. There's no need to hold the wheel on BlueCruise or SuperCruise. Mine does check to see if you are paying attention to the road, as it should, but if you are (and it's pretty tolerant) it leaves you alone.
Old Jan 12, 2024 | 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by swajames
So one thing that Ford and GM do well is actual hands free highway driving. There's no need to hold the wheel on BlueCruise or SuperCruise. Mine does check to see if you are paying attention to the road, as it should, but if you are (and it's pretty tolerant) it leaves you alone.
Oh man, I would not want to be the one who has to make those calls.

Too paranoid and it annoys the driver relentlessly with alerts and everyone hates you.

Too forgiving and accidents happen and possible legal nightmare and everyone hates you.

My brain is hurting just thinking about it. Haha
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Yes, it’s all a judgment call, but they have a lot of data to help figure out where to draw the line. In my case, Ford just did a software update that actually relaxed the full hands-free parameters a little, making the driver monitoring less aggressive, allowing bluecruise to retain control at higher speeds and also reducing the cases where it asks you to take back control. It’s all part of the bluecruise 1.3 and 1.4 rollout which brings in some improvements like self driving lane changing and smart lane positioning when passing big vehicles.
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Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
I don't use Autosteer, only Autopilot as I prefer to steer myself, so I have no experience with that
You don't use Autopilot. You're using TACC (Traffic Aware Cruise Control). Autopilot includes Autosteer and TACC.

Just wanted to clear that up.
Old Jan 12, 2024 | 12:37 PM
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You don't use Autopilot. You're using TACC (Traffic Aware Cruise Control). Autopilot includes Autosteer and TACC.

Just wanted to clear that up.
Yes, that's correct. I don't know why I keep saying Autopilot
Old Jan 13, 2024 | 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by RXSF
Tesla wheels can’t even sense your hand on there. It requires some kind of resistance against your hand which is annoying. That means you have to either shake the wheel side to side to let it know or move the volume control wheel. On other cars you would simply only need to touch the wheel for it to know
Actually that's not true. Tesla used to just recognize the grip, but cheaters used fake pressure setups. You could even buy Tesla steering wheel "Fatigue Grips" to fool the nag. I think you still can on Ebay.
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