As much as I love my Y, I can see how some of Musk's rhetoric is creating the need to push sales harder. I know a few people that say they would never buy a Tesla because of him. Doing things like this may persuade them to eat their words.

I still think the discounting they were doing a few months ago was a better deal. But these finance rate deals have worked for ages with the legacy manufactures. They have to go with the flow.

 

I do base my buying decisions on certain perimeters, such as a company (or CEO) investing in countries that commit (or are accused of) genocide, and there are a number of companies I personally boycott that meet this criteria, but basing buying decisions on someone's politics or antics is just silly to me, IMO. But that's a personal decision people have to make for themselves. That said, I think this has more to do with trying to move as many Model Y's before the refresh comes out

 

With him, though, it's not just about politics because we can and should agree to listen, learn and, if needed, just disagree on whatever is it we disagree about if it's just politics. And then move on. Because that's what adults do. What's harder to agree to just disagree about is his general behavior. He's just a despicable human being. He genuinely is appalling. I need offer no more than lying about the death of his own child and the fact that his own kids don't want anything to do with him. Needless to say there are plenty more examples.

There's zero doubt that Musk the person is alienating a large number of potential customers, and it's almost inexplicable that he's actively supporting an agenda that's not just anti-EV but even talking about subsidizing ICE vehicles to make an anti-EV political point. In any other case, and with any other board, he'd be out.

 

He may well actually be a despicable human being, many people feel that way (not really the place to debate this), but his personal life is just not enough for me to stop buying or investing in Tesla. Now if he or Tesla supported causes that harm people or are linked with governments that perpetrate genocide, I would reconsider both buying Tesla products and pull all investments out of Tesla ASAP

 

But it's not about you, you've already made your decision to buy. It's about the millions of people who aren't you, would otherwise be willing to buy a Tesla, but don't because they just don't want to be associated with him or do anything that benefits him. Tesla registrations in CA dropped in Q2, and a lot of the coverage brought up the Musk factor when discussing the reasons for the drop.

 

Fair enough, I can't speak for those people. People have either loved or hated Elon since the Roadster, that's not going to change. My bet is Tesla is going to do fine

 

To the last point, in CA at least, the trend isn't good.

 

But it's not only Tesla, it's other EV'S as well that have seen downward sales trends. If in Q4 we see this downward trend continuing with only Tesla, then maybe you have a point

 

Rivian seems to be picking up there.

Meanwhile, registrations of its Rivian soared 69% this quarter to 3,742 vehicles, making it the fastest-growing major brand in California.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/e...140139676.html

 

They had some aggressive lease and purchase options to clear out Gen 1s before the Gen 2s hit the market. I wouldn't look at the % gain too much until the R2s are out since they're selling in such low quantities relative to larger automakers

 

To be specific, Tesla sales in CA were down 24% in Q2. How much of that drop is attributable to the Musk factor is unknown, but it's a non-zero number, and most likely a reasonably significant number.

 

I don't think we know that until the last quarter and this is a continuing trend. Tesla is still the best selling car in California, and I know this is anecdotal, they still account for most of the new cars I see on the road

 

your obvious loathing of elon musk just goes on and on... and you're certainly entitled to your strong opinions, but i think you exaggerate a lot and just state things that fit your point of view.

this article talks about musk's baby with first wife who died of SIDS:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b2234938.html

his ex wife says she was the one who held him in her arms when he died, but the baby was on life support either way, and obviously a very emotional time so it's basically subjective. memories aren't perfect.

someone commented: To be fair, the truth is probably more nuanced than can be described in tweets. If I had held a brain dead baby in my arms at some point between finding him in that condition in the cot, and his final breath, I don't think I'd be lying if I said the child died in my arms.

what do you base this on, and all 11?

this article seems to show he spends quite a bit of time with his many kids.

https://hollywoodlife.com/feature/el...-kids-4516506/

musk is certainly unusual and with his work hours he can't possibly spend a lot of time with anyone on 'off hours'.

also, i haven't read his biography by Walter Isaacson but i might at some point. have you? everyone is in large part a product of their upbringing and musk's father was/is certainly a piece of work and no doubt that left impressions.

you may have 'zero doubt' (fits the loathing) but what evidence do you have? i'm sure a few have chosen not to buy a tesla, but tesla owners and fans i know don't really talk about musk at all.

again, fits your narratives. the general political positions he's supporting are to help american companies and the u.s. economy in general prosper. you live in tech bubble. those policies do well in michigan for example.

'millions' huh? i don't believe that for a moment. what evidence?

'coverage' - no doubt of a certain political persuasion.

so it was millions before, now it's a non-zero number and speculatively a 'reasonably significant number', whatever that means.

i agree with amirza... musk or no musk, tesla is just fine.

 

I absolutely love the fact that I clearly get to live rent free in your head.

There’s plenty of room in here.

 

Let’s drop the musk bickering and personal comments