The Headlight and Taillight Aesthetic thread
I wonder if this is more a northern climate salt and snow thing?
I have never seen that Durango issue either. My in-laws have one with those rear lights and they haven't had any issues. Same with our neighbors who have one. I'll try to start paying more attention to others I see on the road.
I see it from time to time also. Its a real problem on those Durangos.
Last edited by xGS350x; Apr 27, 2023 at 12:42 PM.
so if it's not as complex and you can understand it, it's 'well engineered' and does a 'great job'.
i grant you that modern headlights are very expensive to replace. but they are vastly superior to what came before. i came to the conclusion some time ago though that owning modern higher end vehicles outside of warranty brings potentially HUGE repair/parts costs (screens, lights, engines, suspensions). that's why i don't see me ever buying a car and keeping it for a long time, except maybe my LC500 because it's so simple and i don't drive it a ton.
i grant you that modern headlights are very expensive to replace. but they are vastly superior to what came before. i came to the conclusion some time ago though that owning modern higher end vehicles outside of warranty brings potentially HUGE repair/parts costs (screens, lights, engines, suspensions). that's why i don't see me ever buying a car and keeping it for a long time, except maybe my LC500 because it's so simple and i don't drive it a ton.

Not sure what you were getting at there.
It’s really only new LED headlight units that are really expensive, even more so with the ILS.
Alot of my post has been delving into the past. I do that because alot of things were done WELL in the past and ignored for something catchier, shinier. This isn't the same as moving from cassette tapes to CDs because ILS or LEDs doesn't outshine HIDs by a large margin. So please stop with the mindset of phasing things out.
Last edited by xGS350x; Apr 27, 2023 at 01:47 PM.
With halogen projectors, there's no ballast. You just replace a bulb LOL. And if youre a real lucky one, you'll have to replace a burnt out fuse, omg!
Last edited by xGS350x; Apr 27, 2023 at 12:47 PM.
Except that it isn't. HIDs have MORE parts than LEDs, not less. Thats what you don't recognize. LEDs have replaced HIDs in the industry because they are cheaper.
Hids don’t have more parts. They may have bigger parts. And they arnt cheaper.
Last edited by xGS350x; Apr 27, 2023 at 01:49 PM.
Not headlights, but I recently replaced my LED taillights because one of them had faded significantly after ~11 years. It was $152 for the pair (for BMW OE parts no less!), and there were exactly two pieces: The complete left assembly, and the complete right assembly. Looks like the price has gone up by $3: https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/bmw...ll-63214871753
My headlights, on the other hand, have many pieces. On each side, there's the main housing with I believe the projectors integrated, four separate bulbs (two HID and two halogen), the leveling mechanism and adaptive mechanism (not sure if these are together or separate), and two ballasts. 16-18 parts total for both sides, not including turn signals or fog lights.
My headlights, on the other hand, have many pieces. On each side, there's the main housing with I believe the projectors integrated, four separate bulbs (two HID and two halogen), the leveling mechanism and adaptive mechanism (not sure if these are together or separate), and two ballasts. 16-18 parts total for both sides, not including turn signals or fog lights.
Last edited by geko29; Apr 27, 2023 at 01:52 PM.
Vehicle manufacturers did not switch to LEDs because they are more expensive. Economy cars have LEDs now...thats why...they are cheaper.

















