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Still Bullish on Hybrids, Will Toyota Leapfrog EV Tech with Solid State?

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Old Mar 31, 2023 | 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Hameed
I don't see how Motorola is being anti Toyota based on what he's asking...🤔
I changed my comment. Was too personal. (Wrong of me)

‘Nice signature BTW. “Torque missile”

Originally Posted by LeX2K
Solid state batteries need far more rare metals
By that time conventional batteries are going to be so cheap I doubt anyone will need SSBs except for specialized applications.
To the article. Makes sense to offer them in the hybrid. You can make more hybrids with the same resources as a BEV when it comes to resources. 1 to 9 ratio. because of the cost, it makes more sense. Apply the same tech to hydrogen and the ration is 1 BEV can make 90 fuel cells





https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a4...ries-2028-evs/


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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
You can make more hybrids with the same resources as a BEV when it comes to resources.
More misinformation there is more to a hybrid than the battery pack. Takes resources to make the engine, transmission, exhaust system, emissions controls.

To prove the point you can make even MORE purely gas cars using the same resources.
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Originally Posted by LeX2K
More misinformation there is more to a hybrid than the battery pack. Takes resources to make the engine, transmission, exhaust system, emissions controls.

To prove the point you can make even MORE purely gas cars using the same resources.
People just make up stuff on the spot and there are no consequences for it. Man I'm telling you, on other forums I'm on like the Polestar forum, you make something up without a reliable backing source, you won't last 5 minutes
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Old Mar 31, 2023 | 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by LeX2K
More misinformation there is more to a hybrid than the battery pack. Takes resources to make the engine, transmission, exhaust system, emissions controls.
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It is not misinformation. The resources for one battery in a BEV can make 9 hybrids
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looks like toyota hadn't even broken ground as of 6 months ago.

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Old Mar 31, 2023 | 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
looks like toyota hadn't even broken ground as of 6 months ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvObgNtT8P8
is it better to be first or last? I dunno. Ford has lost how much?
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
looks like toyota hadn't even broken ground as of 6 months ago.
Expansion? To what, that pond? What the heck?
Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
It is not misinformation. The resources for one battery in a BEV can make 9 hybrids
Now you're doubling down on misinformation. A car needs more than a battery to drive down the road.
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Old Mar 31, 2023 | 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by LeX2K
Now you're doubling down on misinformation. A car needs more than a battery to drive down the road.
See the bigger manufacturing picture
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Old Mar 31, 2023 | 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
. See the bigger picture
The "bigger picture" is the lithium battery factory Toyota is spending millions of dollars on, not the one-off science project for the Olympics that won't enter mass production. This is no different from that 100 mpg diesel VW made some 20 years ago.
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Originally Posted by Motorola
The "bigger picture" is the lithium battery factory Toyota is spending millions of dollars on, not the science project for the Olympics that won't enter mass production.
Toyota has different batteries as it is. The SSD batteries will come from Japan.
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
Toyota has different batteries as it is. The SSD batteries will come from Japan.
What factory in Japan is prepping for SSB's? And wasn't the point of SSB's so that they would NOT have to make lithium batteries and "leapfrog" the competition?
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Originally Posted by Motorola
What factory in Japan is prepping for SSB's? And wasn't the point of SSB's so that they would NOT have to make lithium batteries and "leapfrog" the competition?
of course they’re going to use lithium. Just not in the high-end stuff. Toyota will have nickel as well for a very long time.
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Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
They (Theranos) didn't last very long, did they. Thanks for making my point stronger. Now I'm doubling down. Good leadership would have never build and raise money around a fraudulent product. And just like Theranos, Toyota is touting a product that's nowhere near ready....SSB's. Or at least people are on behalf of Toyota

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They lasted 15 years, a considerable amount of time.

So my point still remains that a high valuation is about hype and does not predict well the future of a company.
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
See the bigger manufacturing picture
here is the true big picture
Even in the US today, electric vehicles emit only a third to half of the lifetime emissions of gasoline-powered vehicles.
Hybrids are powered by gas in case you forgot.
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