CJITTY's Build Thread II
#61
Lexus Fanatic
Its the same thing with my GS350 that was dropped. The load rating was too low for the car but I ran that size for three years and never had an issue other than when I ran a Falken FK452 ( trashy disposable tire. super cheap but known for tread separation when the car is slammed)
#62
Hey I check on that 600 and they had 255/30/22 on the front and 295/25/22 on the rear. They said that they have done a couple of them and haven't had any problems so far. Hope this helps you out.
#63
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That's good to know.. thanks for doing that! That combo is within 1% difference
#65
Ok folks, I need to make a decision on what to do for wheels. I have a set of 22" staggered wheels from my previous LS460. But, here are some points and issues I have with the wheel situation.
1. Previous LS460 was RWD, and I have 22x9 fronts (245/30/22) and 22x10.5 rears (295/25/22)
2. 600 is all wheel drive with a 40/60 power split. Staggered on AWD has always been a topic of discussion.
3. LS600 is about 600 lbs heavier than a 460. My 245/30 fronts have a 92 XL load rating, which is actually too low for a 460..but the 245/30 and 295/25 is an exact overall diameter combo match. This diameter matchup is good for an AWD system, but once the diameters are matched up, you still have to worry about additional rear wheel weight and rolling resistance.
4. I would try to go 265/30/22 all around because I know a couple of members have installed 265s up front and one member for sure that has installed 265/30 on a 10.5" wheel with no issues and it doesn't look very stretched. Those have a 97 XL load rating and would technically work, but I'm not sure the 265/30 will clear the control arm components on the AWD LS's.
5. Do I go 22x9 all around and would it look ok with data systems drop? I love my CV1 wheels and I think they would look great on this car, but I am mostly concerned about the AWD system unless there are some tolerances with the center diff and transmission ecu to handle staggered.
Does ANYONE here on CL have an AWD 460 or a 600 running a staggered setup? There is simply no information on this unless I go by the IS or GS folks, but not sure the LS system is the same as those.
Decisions
1. Previous LS460 was RWD, and I have 22x9 fronts (245/30/22) and 22x10.5 rears (295/25/22)
2. 600 is all wheel drive with a 40/60 power split. Staggered on AWD has always been a topic of discussion.
3. LS600 is about 600 lbs heavier than a 460. My 245/30 fronts have a 92 XL load rating, which is actually too low for a 460..but the 245/30 and 295/25 is an exact overall diameter combo match. This diameter matchup is good for an AWD system, but once the diameters are matched up, you still have to worry about additional rear wheel weight and rolling resistance.
4. I would try to go 265/30/22 all around because I know a couple of members have installed 265s up front and one member for sure that has installed 265/30 on a 10.5" wheel with no issues and it doesn't look very stretched. Those have a 97 XL load rating and would technically work, but I'm not sure the 265/30 will clear the control arm components on the AWD LS's.
5. Do I go 22x9 all around and would it look ok with data systems drop? I love my CV1 wheels and I think they would look great on this car, but I am mostly concerned about the AWD system unless there are some tolerances with the center diff and transmission ecu to handle staggered.
Does ANYONE here on CL have an AWD 460 or a 600 running a staggered setup? There is simply no information on this unless I go by the IS or GS folks, but not sure the LS system is the same as those.
Decisions
I installed the datasystem controller and put the LS600 in L position (no I own a LS600hLL :-) Perfect, absolutely perfect how it is matching, photos follows next week.
It is correct, the load index of 245 or 255 is not matching the LS600 weight. I contacted a tire manufacturer and got this confirmation (a dealer confirms everything)
245/30/22 front and 295/25/22 rear is a perfect combination but not for the heavy LS600. Another possible combination is 265/30/22 front and 315/25/22 rear but this requires to change the rear fenders completely. Not recommended. I did such changes on a LS430, a waste of time and money.
Next season I like to try http://www.advantiwheel.com/specs/al...100_black.html with an offset of +26 and Dunlop SportMaxx which are hopefully not that loud as the current Vredestein.
However, the best wheel size is the stock wheel size and tires selected by Lexus. All other sizes have a few drawbacks. They look better but that's it. If you like your sedan chair don't change it. You cannot make it better as thousands of engineers in Japan.
#66
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Thread Starter
Thanks to the support of VOSSEN I found the right dimension including offset: 265/30/22 all around on 22x9 VOSSEN with ET of 30mm. I tried 265/35/22 for better ride quality but it failed as it is rubbing and to be honest, surprisingly it is less and not more comfort.
I installed the datasystem controller and put the LS600 in L position (no I own a LS600hLL :-) Perfect, absolutely perfect how it is matching, photos follows next week.
It is correct, the load index of 245 or 255 is not matching the LS600 weight. I contacted a tire manufacturer and got this confirmation (a dealer confirms everything)
245/30/22 front and 295/25/22 rear is a perfect combination but not for the heavy LS600. Another possible combination is 265/30/22 front and 315/25/22 rear but this requires to change the rear fenders completely. Not recommended. I did such changes on a LS430, a waste of time and money.
Next season I like to try http://www.advantiwheel.com/specs/al...100_black.html with an offset of +26 and Dunlop SportMaxx which are hopefully not that loud as the current Vredestein.
However, the best wheel size is the stock wheel size and tires selected by Lexus. All other sizes have a few drawbacks. They look better but that's it. If you like your sedan chair don't change it. You cannot make it better as thousands of engineers in Japan.
I installed the datasystem controller and put the LS600 in L position (no I own a LS600hLL :-) Perfect, absolutely perfect how it is matching, photos follows next week.
It is correct, the load index of 245 or 255 is not matching the LS600 weight. I contacted a tire manufacturer and got this confirmation (a dealer confirms everything)
245/30/22 front and 295/25/22 rear is a perfect combination but not for the heavy LS600. Another possible combination is 265/30/22 front and 315/25/22 rear but this requires to change the rear fenders completely. Not recommended. I did such changes on a LS430, a waste of time and money.
Next season I like to try http://www.advantiwheel.com/specs/al...100_black.html with an offset of +26 and Dunlop SportMaxx which are hopefully not that loud as the current Vredestein.
However, the best wheel size is the stock wheel size and tires selected by Lexus. All other sizes have a few drawbacks. They look better but that's it. If you like your sedan chair don't change it. You cannot make it better as thousands of engineers in Japan.
I would love to run 265/30/22 all around on the hybrid because i know there is another member on here with a 10.5 rear wheel and the 265/30 fits just fine. I know that extra 1.5" wide wheel will somewhat shorten the overall diameter compared to the the 265/30 on the front 9" wheel.
As far as load rating, when you do the math the front 245/30 tires will basically support 2,778 lbs and the rear 295/25/30 will support 3218 lbs bringing the total to 5,996 which is well past the curb weight of the 600 at 5,203 lbs and the GVWR (max capacity with full load/passengers) is 6,075 lbs. I know that I "should" upgrade the fronts at least to a higher load rating, but based on this math, I think I will be ok for a while.
I will be doing a test fit soon since I have the CV1s staggered in my garage. Eventually I will go 265/30 all around, but may need to see about getting a 30 offset to give me more room on the inside edge to run that setup.
#67
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#68
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Thread Starter
Stay tuned..major updates to mine are coming within the next couple weeks or so..waiting on a package from Japan
#69
Thanks for the reply..so your Vossen CV1s are 30 offset? I think they provided me 35 offset which is why running a 265/30 in the frontfor me was risky because it is dangerously close to the inner control arm and it appeared to have rubbed a few times. I had to go down to 245 on my 460.
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I will be doing a test fit soon since I have the CV1s staggered in my garage. Eventually I will go 265/30 all around, but may need to see about getting a 30 offset to give me more room on the inside edge to run that setup.
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I will be doing a test fit soon since I have the CV1s staggered in my garage. Eventually I will go 265/30 all around, but may need to see about getting a 30 offset to give me more room on the inside edge to run that setup.
4x Vossen VVS CV-1 9x22 ET30 Lexus LS600H
4x Vredestein Ultrac Sessanta 265/30 R22
#71
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Thread Starter
This weekend was a great mod weekend!
8/11/12,
Mod #1 installed HID Yellow Fogs from my last LS460..no sense in buying new stuff
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8/11/12,
Mod #1 installed HID Yellow Fogs from my last LS460..no sense in buying new stuff
http://www.flickr.com/photos/71780827@N02/7770478624/http://www.flickr.com/photos/71780827@N02/7770478624/ by
#72
Lead Lap
Thread Starter
8/11/12
Mod #2, Data Systems Lowering Module..Pure Awesomeness
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All the pics have the parking brake on, forgot to turn that off for these pics
LEVEL 1
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LEVEL 3
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LEVEL 4
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LEVEL 5
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LEVEL 6
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Since it is all wheel drive, i cant go as lower in the front as the non AWD models
Install was stupid easy and it took me literally 30 minutes to install from first piece removed to last piece put back in. ANYONE can do this install, for real
Mod #2, Data Systems Lowering Module..Pure Awesomeness
http://www.flickr.com/photos/71780827@N02/7770472906/http://www.flickr.com/photos/71780827@N02/7770472906/ by
All the pics have the parking brake on, forgot to turn that off for these pics
LEVEL 1
http://www.flickr.com/photos/71780827@N02/7770503620/http://www.flickr.com/photos/71780827@N02/7770503620/ by
LEVEL 3
http://www.flickr.com/photos/71780827@N02/7770499644/http://www.flickr.com/photos/71780827@N02/7770499644/ by
LEVEL 4
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LEVEL 5
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LEVEL 6
http://www.flickr.com/photos/71780827@N02/7770485526/http://www.flickr.com/photos/71780827@N02/7770485526/ by
Since it is all wheel drive, i cant go as lower in the front as the non AWD models
Install was stupid easy and it took me literally 30 minutes to install from first piece removed to last piece put back in. ANYONE can do this install, for real
Last edited by CJITTY; 08-12-12 at 07:47 PM.
#73
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Thread Starter
8/11/12
Mod #3, Vossen Wheel Install (Test Fit)
Had my VOSSEN CV1s from my LS460 and wanted to try them out on the 600. After 60 miles of driving, no issues with staggered fitment. Front and Rear tires have exact overall diameter.
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Mod #3, Vossen Wheel Install (Test Fit)
Had my VOSSEN CV1s from my LS460 and wanted to try them out on the 600. After 60 miles of driving, no issues with staggered fitment. Front and Rear tires have exact overall diameter.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/71780827@N02/7770484234/http://www.flickr.com/photos/71780827@N02/7770484234/ by
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#74
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Thread Starter
8/12/12
Mod #4, Window Tint Installed...25% doors, 15% rear glass using Ceramic Film.
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Mod #4, Window Tint Installed...25% doors, 15% rear glass using Ceramic Film.
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