Built NA block vs Built TT block
The GTE block has squirters and low compression, and the GE has no squirters and high compression.
Aside from that, they are the same lower end. Same Iron block, Same rods, same forged crank.
When you install Forged pistons, oil squirters are not needed. They are designed to cool cast pistons to keep them from cracking.
I have built a handful of race 4g63's using N/A Blocks without the squirters and Ross forged pistons in 2006 4 out of 5 making more than 600awhp. They are still racing today.
This is a common practice with Japanese manufacturers. Make one design, and modify slightly to withstand boost from the same platform, without re-designing a separate engine.
If you install Forged pistons on a GE, the lower end will become as strong as a GTE with Cast pistons and oil cooling.
This means, they are basically the same strength down low, but as Lex mentioned the head design is cruder.
That doesn't mean it still can't be a monster!
Define hard? 1 lap at the track with constant oil temps above 200C and engine experiencing full boost prolonged is hard, much much more hard then 10 seconds or less at the drag strip.
As I said previous without the squirters the GE block is inferior. Whether the loss is something one cares about is an entirely different question.
Same replay I was going to give lexforlife.
Define hard? 1 lap at the track with constant oil temps above 200C and engine experiencing full boost prolonged is hard, much much more hard then 10 seconds or less at the drag strip.
As I said previous without the squirters the GE block is inferior. Whether the loss is something one cares about is an entirely different question.
Define hard? 1 lap at the track with constant oil temps above 200C and engine experiencing full boost prolonged is hard, much much more hard then 10 seconds or less at the drag strip.
As I said previous without the squirters the GE block is inferior. Whether the loss is something one cares about is an entirely different question.
btw my car he never seen a drag strip although it has been at the mile run so i guess that also defines hard
I have a GTE in my car now and will be picking up a GE block to build a bottom end to handle 1000hp. I can sell you my GTE block with the pretty oil squirters then
let me define hard .. 4+ years of abuse by me , over 30k miles of boosting ( has 123k on clock)and when alpha tunes me he tunes for distance .my pulls are usually 3-4 miles long in full tilt.. hes a member here , ask him yourself..motor still has perfect compression and runs smooth and strong
btw my car he never seen a drag strip although it has been at the mile run so i guess that also defines hard
btw my car he never seen a drag strip although it has been at the mile run so i guess that also defines hard
Squirters squirt oil onto the pistons for cooling. An independent function from the pistons job to absorb the brunt of the combustion process.
We have a winner here seriously and i think the 2jzge price just went up where is Aliga? haha
Cherplex,
what oil squirters the ones that are non fonctional with aftermarket pistons ok then can the gte be better than ge when they are both equip with aftermarket pistions ? it doesn't make any sense .. does it ?
Cherplex,
what oil squirters the ones that are non fonctional with aftermarket pistons ok then can the gte be better than ge when they are both equip with aftermarket pistions ? it doesn't make any sense .. does it ?
OP good luck with your built GE motor. Regardless of what was posted here those that truly know, know that a built GE motor is not inferior to a built GTE. If that's the case then a stock GE motor is inferior to a GTE motor in regards to handling power 
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Same replay I was going to give lexforlife.
Define hard? 1 lap at the track with constant oil temps above 200C and engine experiencing full boost prolonged is hard, much much more hard then 10 seconds or less at the drag strip.
As I said previous without the squirters the GE block is inferior. Whether the loss is something one cares about is an entirely different question.
Define hard? 1 lap at the track with constant oil temps above 200C and engine experiencing full boost prolonged is hard, much much more hard then 10 seconds or less at the drag strip.
As I said previous without the squirters the GE block is inferior. Whether the loss is something one cares about is an entirely different question.
This is because he has never built an engine, let alone swapped one.
I hate the fact you use the word "Inferior" just to sound intelligent.
Toyota doesn't skimp anywhere. So just because one JZ is turbo, and one JZ is not, doesn't make it "Inferior".
"Marginally less potential" is a better term to use.
You wanna see what a GTE with Forged pistons and no squirters for reliability will do?
This is one of the homies cars, quite a few years ago. You guys are new to this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w93Uh...eature=feedlik
In case you weren't counting, that's 2 full minutes of WOT at 25lbs of T88. 800hp.
The thing comes right back down to idle after beating the shyte out of it.
It has no squirters, stock rods, stock crank, and forged 8.5:1 JE's.
Still wanna argue about things you "Know"?
I hate the fact you use the word "Inferior" just to sound intelligent.
Toyota doesn't skimp anywhere. So just because one JZ is turbo, and one JZ is not, doesn't make it "Inferior".
"Marginally less potential" is a better term to use.
You wanna see what a GTE with Forged pistons and no squirters for reliability will do?
This is one of the homies cars, quite a few years ago. You guys are new to this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w93Uh...eature=feedlik
In case you weren't counting, that's 2 full minutes of WOT at 25lbs of T88. 800hp.
The thing comes right back down to idle after beating the shyte out of it.
It has no squirters, stock rods, stock crank, and forged 8.5:1 JE's.
Still wanna argue about things you "Know"?
Yup, that was taken at a NAPA burnout contest, right here in the Great state of Maine.
The point is, Squirters were implemented by the bean counters, to combat people:
-Running 87 octane or other low quality gas
-Never changing the oil
-Shutting the car off immediately after putting a big load on it
-Generally abusing the car
Go build an engine already OP!
The point is, Squirters were implemented by the bean counters, to combat people:
-Running 87 octane or other low quality gas
-Never changing the oil
-Shutting the car off immediately after putting a big load on it
-Generally abusing the car
Go build an engine already OP!
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Haha i just have to find the money! I only want to run around 500 or so wheel horsepower..just so I can outrun my girlfriends 2010 SS camaro :P..im thinking of running GTE pistons, like a JE or CP, .020 over..reground crank..now i have a couple questions..
DO i run a GE head with a GTE gasket? both sets of pistons are rated at a 8.5-9.0:1 CR with a dish top..
Should I run a GE head with a GE gasket? Considering the pistons are dished?
GTE head with a GTE gasket?
GTE head with a GE gasket?
I'll need .020 oversized rings too right?
DO i run a GE head with a GTE gasket? both sets of pistons are rated at a 8.5-9.0:1 CR with a dish top..
Should I run a GE head with a GE gasket? Considering the pistons are dished?
GTE head with a GTE gasket?
GTE head with a GE gasket?
I'll need .020 oversized rings too right?
Haha i just have to find the money! I only want to run around 500 or so wheel horsepower..just so I can outrun my girlfriends 2010 SS camaro :P..im thinking of running GTE pistons, like a JE or CP, .020 over..reground crank..now i have a couple questions..
DO i run a GE head with a GTE gasket? both sets of pistons are rated at a 8.5-9.0:1 CR with a dish top..
Should I run a GE head with a GE gasket? Considering the pistons are dished?
GTE head with a GTE gasket?
GTE head with a GE gasket?
I'll need .020 oversized rings too right?
DO i run a GE head with a GTE gasket? both sets of pistons are rated at a 8.5-9.0:1 CR with a dish top..
Should I run a GE head with a GE gasket? Considering the pistons are dished?
GTE head with a GTE gasket?
GTE head with a GE gasket?
I'll need .020 oversized rings too right?
are you running a standalone , if so even better for the higher compression
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