JIC Magic Tie Rods
JIC Magic Tie Rods
Has anyone had an experience with these tie rods?(I have searched and didn't come up with anything relevant) If so Pics please!! Do they increse the camber even more? I've taken a look at the stock tie rods and that bend in the middle, It looks likes the straight JIC ones would improve the steering a bit.
But to my current understanding these tie rods effectively change the steering ratio so that 1 turn of the wheel turns the tires farther than with the stock tie rods? I'm confused because wouldn't this create more toe-in in the front tires? I guess basically what I'm worried about is accelerated tire wear.
Last edited by QwkSC; Apr 22, 2009 at 09:42 AM.
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the tie rods dont make your steering faster. it gives you more angle.
if you are looking for faster steering, there are two things, alignment to make it switch faster or you can get a steering quicker that will change your ratio or the rack to the steering wheel.
the rie rods allows you for more angle so if you are drifting, you have more angle in the turn and helps with spinning out. once these are in your car, you can make circles in your driveway... exaggeratively speaking. thats about it. if you have no need for tie rods, dont bother.
you want improve handling, minimize the play in the steering racks, suspension movements, and coilovers change it night and day, or even a spring and shock combo. oem camber bolts has enough adjustments up to a certain degree.
adjustibility of your tire wear should be relative to how low or how much you change the geometry of your stance.
you can buy after market arms and bolts to do that, but if you go aftermarket parts for arms and links most of the time they are race parts.. so they live off race hours, altho awesome for handling.
if you are looking for faster steering, there are two things, alignment to make it switch faster or you can get a steering quicker that will change your ratio or the rack to the steering wheel.
the rie rods allows you for more angle so if you are drifting, you have more angle in the turn and helps with spinning out. once these are in your car, you can make circles in your driveway... exaggeratively speaking. thats about it. if you have no need for tie rods, dont bother.
you want improve handling, minimize the play in the steering racks, suspension movements, and coilovers change it night and day, or even a spring and shock combo. oem camber bolts has enough adjustments up to a certain degree.
adjustibility of your tire wear should be relative to how low or how much you change the geometry of your stance.
you can buy after market arms and bolts to do that, but if you go aftermarket parts for arms and links most of the time they are race parts.. so they live off race hours, altho awesome for handling.
Alright thank you so much, now I understand what "steering angle" is. Sorry for all the relentless suspension questions lol, I know quite a bit about engines but very little about suspensions, it's something I have been meaning to learn up on.
You mentioned these are good for drifting and not to buy them unless my old ones are toast, but would you reccomend these for an application like auto-X? Or is too great a steering angle not desireable because it encourages oversteer?
As far as stock suspension adjustments on the alignment rack, isn't it a tradeoff between handling and tire wear? And what should I be changing(Camber, Caster, Toe, anything else?) to get the best handling.
You mentioned these are good for drifting and not to buy them unless my old ones are toast, but would you reccomend these for an application like auto-X? Or is too great a steering angle not desireable because it encourages oversteer?
As far as stock suspension adjustments on the alignment rack, isn't it a tradeoff between handling and tire wear? And what should I be changing(Camber, Caster, Toe, anything else?) to get the best handling.
Last edited by QwkSC; Apr 22, 2009 at 12:18 PM.
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there is no reason to change them unless you want them.
saying that, there is no reason why anyone shouldn't have them either.
they dont induces any over steer or anything like that..
it just increases the length of the rack by the pivot of the knuckles.
so it makes no difference for auto-x because you wont be turning that much anyways, if you are, you d be out of the course.
It is aligned back to stock alignment. as if nothing changed.
again, it does not change anything..
it is only when you turn full lock to lock, you will see the vast difference of how tight it gets.
As far as alignment goes, and if you want faster turning there are some trick to improve steering response and how quick your car reacts and counter reacts.
this involves aligning or tweaking the front and rear toes,
slightly different camber and also caster.
most commonly, this is done for track related times.
but i dont see any reason to do so if you are driving you car daily and want to preserve tire wear, also on stock suspension etc... pretty much not logical to do so.
these alignment settings, i can only recommend taking it to your local alignment tuning specialist with lots of race car experiences etc..
saying that, there is no reason why anyone shouldn't have them either.
they dont induces any over steer or anything like that..
it just increases the length of the rack by the pivot of the knuckles.
so it makes no difference for auto-x because you wont be turning that much anyways, if you are, you d be out of the course.
It is aligned back to stock alignment. as if nothing changed.
again, it does not change anything..
it is only when you turn full lock to lock, you will see the vast difference of how tight it gets.
As far as alignment goes, and if you want faster turning there are some trick to improve steering response and how quick your car reacts and counter reacts.
this involves aligning or tweaking the front and rear toes,
slightly different camber and also caster.
most commonly, this is done for track related times.
but i dont see any reason to do so if you are driving you car daily and want to preserve tire wear, also on stock suspension etc... pretty much not logical to do so.
these alignment settings, i can only recommend taking it to your local alignment tuning specialist with lots of race car experiences etc..
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