Non Ethanol gasoline
07-30-12, 01:07 PM
#2
Difficult to find in the Chicagoland northern suburbs, if you can find it near you and it's the same price as 10%get it.
Engine computer should adjust accordingly. It'll be interesting to know what your actual MPG was and will be.
Engine computer should adjust accordingly. It'll be interesting to know what your actual MPG was and will be.
07-30-12, 01:25 PM
#3
I keep a few drums of ethanol free fuel here on the farm to use in the antiques and farm equipment. Do not put any in the RX. That gets what is available at the pump.
07-30-12, 05:08 PM
#4
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www.pure-gas.org has a nice list of no ethanol stations. Luckily central VA has a few. I will have to make sure to use it with my power equipment.
07-30-12, 05:57 PM
#5
i used to pump no-ethanol gas in my other car that recommends premium..
in the 6 months i was there pumping.. i saw no big difference in MPG between that and Chevron Techron 93.. 90% highway miles..
the no-ethanol was not a national chain place. The cost for no-ethanol gas was about 5 cents more a gallon..
in the 6 months i was there pumping.. i saw no big difference in MPG between that and Chevron Techron 93.. 90% highway miles..
the no-ethanol was not a national chain place. The cost for no-ethanol gas was about 5 cents more a gallon..
07-30-12, 07:52 PM
#6
I've been running pure gas in my RX 330 for several years. I get 1.5 to 2 MPG more on the freeway/highway but not much difference if any in city driving. I can feel an improvement in performance in city driving but don't see it reflected in MPG. I am required to run my car through emission testing and the readings are the same whether I use pure gas or ethanol laden gas.
07-31-12, 09:46 AM
#7
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And the environmentalist`s want us to start using 15% ethanol in our fuel? Lets see; less mpg`s, less engine performance overall. Toyota as well as other maker`s do NOT recommend anything higher that 10% ethanol in the fuel. Gotta love theses melon heads. And not to mention the ever rising cost of Corn over this idiotic idea.
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07-31-12, 10:33 AM
#8
And the environmentalist`s want us to start using 15% ethanol in our fuel? Lets see; less mpg`s, less engine performance overall. Toyota as well as other maker`s do NOT recommend anything higher that 10% ethanol in the fuel. Gotta love theses melon heads. And not to mention the ever rising cost of Corn over this idiotic idea.
Roughly speaking, ethanol has 75% of the power of gas in the same volume. Thus, if 10% ethanol is used in fuel, mpg should decrease by about 25% of 10%, i.e. 2.5%. If you're getting 20mpg with pure petrol, you would be getting about a 0.5 mpg decrease, or 19.5 mpg instead, which is hard to notice. The fuel pumps that I have seen (that sell pure petrol) are substantially more expensive, comparatively, than the improvement you would get in mpg. But overall, there is no doubt that the 'ethanol thing' is misguided, expensive (costs the taxpayers billions) and anti-environmentalist (whatever the environmentalists think). Another example of 'government in action'!
07-31-12, 11:27 AM
#9
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Another current issue is where the ethanol will come from. Since we have this serious drought occurring in the US and 70-80% of the corn crop is affected, there will soon be a shortage of ethanol. If the EPA doesn't relax that mandate, there will likely be gas lines and possibly rationing. We in the US are the major producer and exporter of corn and most other grains. We have been experimenting with other sources for ethanol production but that won't help us in a drought. Many countries rely on our corn and grain production for food and are not going to be delighted that we are burning food (corn) for fuel while they starve so we can expect things might get tense in the world as we stop selling corn to other countries. Out of every 10 ears of corn produced today 4 go into fuel, four go to animal feed and two are consumed by people. Corn is in nearly everything we eat or drink.
This whole ethanol thing looks like it is a farm boondoggle. As I mentioned, my emission numbers look the same whether I am running pure gas or 10% ethanol. Modern cars run cleaner and I suspect ethanol is no longer required to support the clean air initiative. So if we don't need ethanol for clean air any more why are we subsidizing it? It is not as efficient as gasoline and you must burn more of it to travel as far. The claim that we are using it so that we don't need to pay countries that don't like us much is hogwash. We could have built an oil pipeline from Canada, who do like us somewhat and our government turned that down so Canada sold the oil to China. Oil is fungible. No one knows or cares where the oil really comes from in that sense.
I think its time we stop burning food.
[RANT OFF]
Another current issue is where the ethanol will come from. Since we have this serious drought occurring in the US and 70-80% of the corn crop is affected, there will soon be a shortage of ethanol. If the EPA doesn't relax that mandate, there will likely be gas lines and possibly rationing. We in the US are the major producer and exporter of corn and most other grains. We have been experimenting with other sources for ethanol production but that won't help us in a drought. Many countries rely on our corn and grain production for food and are not going to be delighted that we are burning food (corn) for fuel while they starve so we can expect things might get tense in the world as we stop selling corn to other countries. Out of every 10 ears of corn produced today 4 go into fuel, four go to animal feed and two are consumed by people. Corn is in nearly everything we eat or drink.
This whole ethanol thing looks like it is a farm boondoggle. As I mentioned, my emission numbers look the same whether I am running pure gas or 10% ethanol. Modern cars run cleaner and I suspect ethanol is no longer required to support the clean air initiative. So if we don't need ethanol for clean air any more why are we subsidizing it? It is not as efficient as gasoline and you must burn more of it to travel as far. The claim that we are using it so that we don't need to pay countries that don't like us much is hogwash. We could have built an oil pipeline from Canada, who do like us somewhat and our government turned that down so Canada sold the oil to China. Oil is fungible. No one knows or cares where the oil really comes from in that sense.
I think its time we stop burning food.
[RANT OFF]
07-31-12, 04:38 PM
#11
07-31-12, 09:14 PM
#12
[RANT ON]
Another current issue is where the ethanol will come from. Since we have this serious drought occurring in the US and 70-80% of the corn crop is affected, there will soon be a shortage of ethanol. If the EPA doesn't relax that mandate, there will likely be gas lines and possibly rationing. We in the US are the major producer and exporter of corn and most other grains. We have been experimenting with other sources for ethanol production but that won't help us in a drought. Many countries rely on our corn and grain production for food and are not going to be delighted that we are burning food (corn) for fuel while they starve so we can expect things might get tense in the world as we stop selling corn to other countries. Out of every 10 ears of corn produced today 4 go into fuel, four go to animal feed and two are consumed by people. Corn is in nearly everything we eat or drink.
This whole ethanol thing looks like it is a farm boondoggle. As I mentioned, my emission numbers look the same whether I am running pure gas or 10% ethanol. Modern cars run cleaner and I suspect ethanol is no longer required to support the clean air initiative. So if we don't need ethanol for clean air any more why are we subsidizing it? It is not as efficient as gasoline and you must burn more of it to travel as far. The claim that we are using it so that we don't need to pay countries that don't like us much is hogwash. We could have built an oil pipeline from Canada, who do like us somewhat and our government turned that down so Canada sold the oil to China. Oil is fungible. No one knows or cares where the oil really comes from in that sense.
I think its time we stop burning food.
[RANT OFF]
Another current issue is where the ethanol will come from. Since we have this serious drought occurring in the US and 70-80% of the corn crop is affected, there will soon be a shortage of ethanol. If the EPA doesn't relax that mandate, there will likely be gas lines and possibly rationing. We in the US are the major producer and exporter of corn and most other grains. We have been experimenting with other sources for ethanol production but that won't help us in a drought. Many countries rely on our corn and grain production for food and are not going to be delighted that we are burning food (corn) for fuel while they starve so we can expect things might get tense in the world as we stop selling corn to other countries. Out of every 10 ears of corn produced today 4 go into fuel, four go to animal feed and two are consumed by people. Corn is in nearly everything we eat or drink.
This whole ethanol thing looks like it is a farm boondoggle. As I mentioned, my emission numbers look the same whether I am running pure gas or 10% ethanol. Modern cars run cleaner and I suspect ethanol is no longer required to support the clean air initiative. So if we don't need ethanol for clean air any more why are we subsidizing it? It is not as efficient as gasoline and you must burn more of it to travel as far. The claim that we are using it so that we don't need to pay countries that don't like us much is hogwash. We could have built an oil pipeline from Canada, who do like us somewhat and our government turned that down so Canada sold the oil to China. Oil is fungible. No one knows or cares where the oil really comes from in that sense.
I think its time we stop burning food.
[RANT OFF]
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