Has anyone had a timing belt break?
01-19-14, 10:02 PM
#46
Is this back to the old 'interference motor or not' discussion? If the story is true, the 'non-interference' argument will be thus proven correct.
01-20-14, 05:32 AM
#49
At startup or engine shut off (lower engine speeds) you may get lucky with only broken valve guides. Or if a belt breaks and only slides to the side. But remember our engines, designed for high compression are made to where the valves and pistons occupy the same space but at different times in order to maximize engine performance. Therefore, a disruption in crankshaft/camshaft timing will almost always result in piston/valve connection
01-20-14, 11:56 AM
#50
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Simply not true ... the 3.3L V6 is an interference engine. I am friends with a Master Toyota tech and he has repaired an engine that experienced a timing belt failure at around 125K ... he said it when it broke, the engine had bent valves and was very costly.
On a related note, I had a 1984 Honda Accord that had an interference engine and the timing belt broke while I was driving on the highway (while passing someone); I had it towed to the shop and there was no engine damage. My wife had an Audi 5000 (interference engine) and the belt broke while at a stop sign, again no engine damage.
I guess the moral is, you may get lucky ... then again, you may not ... if it bends valves, it will be an expensive repair. As with anything, YMMV.
Last edited by cdnewton; 01-20-14 at 05:57 PM. Reason: fixed sentence
01-20-14, 04:09 PM
#51
Lexus Test Driver
01-23-14, 07:05 AM
#52
Hang out with some Audi drivers.
I wouldn't call it common, but it's not uncommon either.
The original service interval for my A4 was 105K. Audi has been progressively lowering that number as more and more failed short of that mark. I think they are down to 70K. I bought mine with 110K, knowing it needed a TB, and the belt was definitely on it's last leg. Very dry rotted and cracked, but no missing teeth.
I wouldn't call it common, but it's not uncommon either.The original service interval for my A4 was 105K. Audi has been progressively lowering that number as more and more failed short of that mark. I think they are down to 70K. I bought mine with 110K, knowing it needed a TB, and the belt was definitely on it's last leg. Very dry rotted and cracked, but no missing teeth.
01-23-14, 07:16 AM
#53
Hang out with some Audi drivers. I wouldn't call it common, but it's not uncommon either.
The original service interval for my A4 was 105K. Audi has been progressively lowering that number as more and more failed short of that mark. I think they are down to 70K. I bought mine with 110K, knowing it needed a TB, and the belt was definitely on it's last leg. Very dry rotted and cracked, but no missing teeth.
I wouldn't call it common, but it's not uncommon either.The original service interval for my A4 was 105K. Audi has been progressively lowering that number as more and more failed short of that mark. I think they are down to 70K. I bought mine with 110K, knowing it needed a TB, and the belt was definitely on it's last leg. Very dry rotted and cracked, but no missing teeth.
01-23-14, 07:26 AM
#54
Happened to a friend of mine in his A4 coming back from a trip. But his car's issue as well as the majority of these were tensioner issues not belt issues which I believe there is a pending class action lawsuit against Audi to resolve. Either way sux nonetheless. If the tensioner or water pump fail, it usually destroys the belt.
I live with hazards of driving my A4 because we have the RX350, which thus far has NEVER been broken. Well, that, and it's fun as hell.
My wife loves my A4 and hinted around about getting rid of her RX and getting one for her to drive. I told her, HELL NO! We need one bulletproof car in the family. Between my Audi, my son's Acura, and my old 86 Chevy farm truck, I have enough car repair work to fill my weekends from now on.
01-23-14, 07:31 AM
#55
Lots of water pump seizures as well. German engineering.
I live with hazards of driving my A4 because we have the RX350, which thus far has NEVER been broken. Well, that, and it's fun as hell.
My wife loves my A4 and hinted around about getting rid of her RX and getting one for her to drive. I told her, HELL NO! We need one bulletproof car in the family. Between my Audi, my son's Acura, and my old 86 Chevy farm truck, I have enough car repair work to fill my weekends from now on.
I live with hazards of driving my A4 because we have the RX350, which thus far has NEVER been broken. Well, that, and it's fun as hell.
My wife loves my A4 and hinted around about getting rid of her RX and getting one for her to drive. I told her, HELL NO! We need one bulletproof car in the family. Between my Audi, my son's Acura, and my old 86 Chevy farm truck, I have enough car repair work to fill my weekends from now on.
01-23-14, 07:39 AM
#56
01-23-14, 09:25 AM
#58
01-23-14, 05:06 PM
#59
I keep reminding folks ...
Look at the bigger picture .. by postponing from 90k to 110k (pick your own number for your calculations) how many timing belt changes would you save (all number in k miles)
90, 180, 270, 360, 450
110, 220, 340, 450,
Math shows you 5 vs 4 replacements and now add reality ... would you still be owning the vehicle?
Also pay attention to the various things in the drive train.
Salim
Look at the bigger picture .. by postponing from 90k to 110k (pick your own number for your calculations) how many timing belt changes would you save (all number in k miles)
90, 180, 270, 360, 450
110, 220, 340, 450,
Math shows you 5 vs 4 replacements and now add reality ... would you still be owning the vehicle?
Also pay attention to the various things in the drive train.
Salim
Changed them out at 80K/121months. Didn't want to take any chance with $1000 job (TB, WP, Intake Gasket and Spark Plugs all Lexus parts) vs. towing the car to the junk yard.
Also I plan to get rid of it in 10 year and I'll probably have the TB/WP changed once anyways. So why not change now and enjoy with peace of mind.
01-23-14, 05:53 PM
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I just got an 04 with 73k on it and didn't plan to do any major work on this car. I have 2 other cars that I'm always working on so got this as a daily driver and to eventually give my daughter. After reading this I'm starting to consider maybe just doing it in the next few thousand miles.