I like using my on dash information screen to display the gear indicators and have noticed my car will sometimes read the wrong gear while using the paddle shifters. When the car automatically overrides me manually shifting.lol The way the trans does that is the one thing about this car that pisses me off. You really cannot drive this car in manual paddle shift like an actual manual. The way the transmission downshifts is remarkably close to a manual downshift and ok on upshifts. It could be a valuable driving experience except it just does not upshift past 4th when it doesn’t think you should and keeps the car in way too high of a gear. Also has anyone else experienced 2nd gear having a synthetic gearing or slight surge at between low and mid throttle. So if I’m in 2nd slowly on the accelerator it feels like a soft shift or maybe even a bit of throttle advance early in the revs? Like they are trying to give it a sporty twitchy feel but if you’re just using it to drive around it takes away from the paddle shift experience.

 

You have it in auto mode and trying to do manual pedal shift. You might end up getting conflicting information because you are competing with the shift logic for the requested vs actual gear selected.

Case in point, use auto mode as a proper auto mode. if you want it to behave like a proper manual, put the gear lever in manual mode and then you have full control upshift/downshift wise as far as manual shifting goes.

 

The car does not let you freely up or downshift in manual mode, at least not in sport + mode. Maybe in other modes but I have not tried it. Maybe that’s the problem and it does let you freely shift in normal or sport mode 🤷🏼‍♂️.

Also, why would it get conflicting information? Both indicators should be based off of the actual gearbox position. Not rocket science there. That means the large gauge on the dash in sport+ (the one you look at) is based off the paddle selection and not the gearbox. Why not have the information come from the same place and accurate?

 

Are you sure the car is fully warmed up? Usually the transmission is in limp mode until the engine is properly warmed up. Usually it takes about 15 minutes of driving for it to properly warm up.

Otherwise, does not sound normal. Looks to me like there is an issue with your transmission. The fully warmed up transmission allows you to freely upshift and downshift in sport+ (as long as you are in the proper rev range for the downshift, otherwise, it will beep). I only use sport+/manual and never had any issues and I come from 6 speed manual for 18+ years.

 

So in your car you can upshift to, say, 6th gear while doing 30/35mph? My car won’t let me do that. I can flick the paddle and it will not upshift. Past 4th gear if I’m going slow.

 

I would not be surprised, if it does not and only lets you go till 5th. 6th gear is too tall for 30 mph. I said that above, rev range is critical to where you can upshift or downshift. Gear ratios are designed to work with specific engine speeds. I come from manuals so I really have an intricate understanding as accidentally downshift outside rev range means, blown motor and there is no safeguard in real manuals.

In RCF for example, if I accelerate in 3rd gear up to 90 mph and then let off while trying to downshift to 2nd, it won't let me and it would beep telling me I am outside the rev range of 2nd gear. Once the speed drops below 75 mph, it will allow me to downshift to 2nd gear.

 

From my testing you can manually shift into 5th at 31-32 mph, into 6th at 38 mph, 7th at 41-42mph, and into 8th gear somewhere around 46-48 mph

 

What are you even talking about? I don’t know if you’re not explaining it well enough or if you don’t actually have “intricate understanding” of how different transmissions work. I’ve owned 7 sticks, 6 autos and at least a dozen motorcycles. One time I was able to forcefully slam a car into second gear while going to fast. Older motorcycles will let you downshift too early but the rear wheel will lock up, a car will grind the gear because the flywheel and gear are too different of a speed. Some cars have a gear inhibitor that won’t let you shift into a particular gear, usually first and reverse if your moving forward too fast. Most modern superbikes and cars have slipper clutches that automatically let the clutch slip to avoid over revving and, more importantly if you track, slows the impact of engine breaking to limit the disruption of the chassis upon deceleration (similar to blipping the throttle). Some are pneumatic and only work when the throttle is fully closed but most are now electrically controlled and can slip the clutch even on acceleration to limit torque depending on a selected drive mode. My point here still stands that you cannot drive this car in manual mode / sport + like a clutch-less manual. Which is a bummer because the car has a great shifting auto trans. It will keep you in a low gear that is too high for cruising. You can’t say it’s because 5th gear at 30mph is too high and will “damage” the motor. How do you think it’s driving in normal or eco mode? It runs right up the gears to keep you at low revs for fuel economy which is not lugging the engine, it will electronically decrease fuel, and downshift into the appropriate gear for the amount of throttle you’re giving it. Lugging the engine would be shifting into a high gear and flooring the car letting it lug through the low revs until the motor winds up and builds power.

 

You for the clarification. I was starting to thing my car was acting differently than others and was gettin tv worried something might be up. Mind at ease.👍

 

@rolla don’t take it as personal attack on your car. I love this car everything about it. But it’s ok to speak to it’s flaws in hopes they get sorted out in future generations. I’m guessing by your tag you had or have a xrs which came with the C60 transmissions shared with Pontiac and the Celica that had a notoriously well planned 2nd gear that gives plenty of fun - that’s the one thing about the RC-F that I’ve noticed. Second gear is your first best friend in this car! My wife had a corolla s for about 90k and I remember that trans being well sorted as well. Toyota does a heck of a job with their transmissions.

 

I'm still confused how this was resolved. In your first pic you showed that your car was in automatic mode, and you were trying to manually shift and complaining that it wasn't behaving correctly. In his first response, Rolla said you should put the car in manual mode if you want to shift manually.

Problem solved. Of course you can't switch to ANY gear at ANY speed. Try taking a regular manual transmission and shifting into 5th at 20km/h and see how that works, or wait until you hit 120km/h and shift to 1st gear.

The RCF gives you manual control of your shifts when you put it into manual mode, but won't let you destroy your engine or transmission with your shifts. Are you thinking that this is a flaw in the design?

 

My first pic is to show that the gear selection and actual gear do not match. That’s because it won’t let you switch to 5th gear even in manual mode at that speed.
your logic makes no sense when you say “take a manual transmission and put it in 5th at 20kmh an hour” my point is that you can do just that if you want. You can start a car in 4th gear if you want to burn up your clutch. I’m not talking about 5th gear at 10mph who the f would do that? I’m talking about 5th gear at 35-40 mph. When your RCF is in normal mode and you’re cruising at 35mph do you think it’s in 3rd or 4th gear? Think again, it’s most likely rolling in a top gear waiting for your throttle input to downshift into a more appropriate gear. You know, how you would drive a manual gearbox vehicle. The only time you’d keep it in a lower gear is when you need to accelerate. You wouldn’t drive around a manual at a steady 3500rpm at 40mph in 3rd gear.

 

Javrabbit helped clarify by confirming the vehicle will not just let you upshift into any gear and will just ignore the input if it doesn’t like it. I will take a spin and test it out in different modes. My biggest complaint was that sport + mode would not let me shift to a comfortable gear and keeps you in a low gear so that power is readily available. The way I look at it is, I’m in manual mode, I’ll downshift when I need it and would like to be in a higher gear. Rolla said he always drives around in sport + manual mode 100% of the time in another post so I tried it out and was like this is impossible because you end up cruising around in a lower gear than you should be because the car won’t upshift to a gear that isn’t hanging in the revs. I’m thinking maybe it’s just sport + mode but I’ll test it again in other modes and see what I get.

 

Another thing to keep in mind is that if you are only using the gear number above the MPH You don’t really know what gear your in. You’ll have to use vehicle information screen on the lower left of the mph because, as my above photo proves, the gauge sometimes takes you input and ups the number with a flick of paddle but does not actually change the gear.

 

What part of this statement was confusing?

"I would not be surprised, if it does not and only lets you go till 5th. 6th gear is too tall for 30 mph."

This thread is messed up. I am out of here.

EXITING THREAD!