Brake squeal and dust problem RESOLVED **OEM** pads
12-01-15, 10:22 AM
#31
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ditto at 12k miles. They do an excellent job at stopping and I will just get
my power washer and Sonax Full Efeect out as needed to keep the wheels looking pretty good. Sure wish someone would report the stopping distance of OEM pads vs 1521 Carbotech.
I did get a quote from Carbotech for the Carbotech 1521 which I might try when the OEM pads wear down:
There is a core charge on the front, but not the rear set of the new RC-F. They are not backing plates that we can purchase yet, we have to get new or used sets sent in to us in order to make the pads for you. The front, CT1440-1521 are $261 for the set. However, there will be either a $25 core cleaning charge added to that if you send us an old set of pads in or there will be an additional $80 charge if you do not. So the front pads are actually either $286 or $341. The rear pads, the CT1807-1521 are $229. No additional charges are needed for those pad shapes. They are both currently in stock. Additionally, UPS ground will cost between $20-$25. Your total with UPS ground service would be either $555 or $590. These are the same pads that Speed Freaks sells, we supply them to Speed Freaks, they are one of our dealers. from
Mike Puskar, Jr. <jr@ctbrakes.com>
my power washer and Sonax Full Efeect out as needed to keep the wheels looking pretty good. Sure wish someone would report the stopping distance of OEM pads vs 1521 Carbotech.
I did get a quote from Carbotech for the Carbotech 1521 which I might try when the OEM pads wear down:
There is a core charge on the front, but not the rear set of the new RC-F. They are not backing plates that we can purchase yet, we have to get new or used sets sent in to us in order to make the pads for you. The front, CT1440-1521 are $261 for the set. However, there will be either a $25 core cleaning charge added to that if you send us an old set of pads in or there will be an additional $80 charge if you do not. So the front pads are actually either $286 or $341. The rear pads, the CT1807-1521 are $229. No additional charges are needed for those pad shapes. They are both currently in stock. Additionally, UPS ground will cost between $20-$25. Your total with UPS ground service would be either $555 or $590. These are the same pads that Speed Freaks sells, we supply them to Speed Freaks, they are one of our dealers. from
Mike Puskar, Jr. <jr@ctbrakes.com>
Last edited by rjmalm; 12-01-15 at 10:30 AM.
12-01-15, 04:18 PM
#32
I'm also going to keep the stock brakes. Don't use the car much, but when I do, like to drive aggressively. Same with changing to the Pilot A/S3 tires. Will leave the car exactly how Lexus intended it to perform. But we have to be careful in winter folks. Remember there's significantly longer stopping distances in the cold (even if dry) with our max summer tires. Be safe out there
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12-01-15, 04:29 PM
#33
I talked with my service advisor yesterday. The TSB states there will be diminished braking power with the replacements, some decrease in squeaking. Three people at this dealership have had the TSB work done. One complained that the squeaking remains, no feedback on brake dust or braking performance yet. BTW, Lexus will only perform the TSB once is what I heard. I decided to hold off on replacements since squeaking isn't a big problem and the polished wheels don't show the brake dust too badly. If the difference in braking is a couple feet to stop, that could make a BIG difference. The wheels on my previous LS460 Sport looked terrible, just 50 miles after washing.
12-01-15, 07:30 PM
#34
Driver
Thread Starter
^^^^This was pretty much what my Dealership had said when i asked them about the issues with the Squeal & Dust (it will help SOME with the squeal & doesn't change Anything about the Dust issues). That's WHY i decided just to spend the $500 & with the CarboTech's & EVERYTHING is GOOD now (NO Squealing & VERY LITTLE Dust) & i Can't tell ANY Difference in the Stopping Power
Why are people spending money on new pads first, and being so "anti" these great OEM pads. Wouldn't logic tell you to get the new FREE pads from the dealer, and if you're still unhappy just, THEN spend the money on the aftermarkets you were going to buy anyway? What am I missing?
Why would you trust the dealer's opinion when they have different interest than yours when it comes to warranty work?
12-02-15, 10:49 AM
#35
Why are people spending money on new pads first, and being so "anti" these great OEM pads. Wouldn't logic tell you to get the new FREE pads from the dealer, and if you're still unhappy just, THEN spend the money on the aftermarkets you were going to buy anyway? What am I missing?
12-02-15, 03:15 PM
#36
A lot of brake squeal has to do with not performing a "Bed-In Procedures" procedure of the brake pads. The Camaro SS and the RCF have race inspired brake pads meant to stop on a dime, which means they care more about being able to stop then the brake dust issue.
You can get pads that produce less dust, but they also probably have less stopping power. You have to decide which is more important. Either option you choose will still need to be probably "bedded " in otherwise the new pads will eventually get brake squeal.
You can get pads that produce less dust, but they also probably have less stopping power. You have to decide which is more important. Either option you choose will still need to be probably "bedded " in otherwise the new pads will eventually get brake squeal.
12-02-15, 05:08 PM
#37
& as far as being Anti against the Replacement OEM Pads, RCFun is still the Only person i've seen that said they had Zero Dust & they Stopped just as Good as the Original ones did. Do you even know what kind these OEM Replacement Pads are, another Lexus Brand (i know what kind of brand CarboTech is, one of the Best)? If they're that Awesome WHY didn't they put them on to began with
12-07-15, 05:36 AM
#39
Driver
Thread Starter
^^^^This & as far as being Anti against the Replacement OEM Pads, RCFun is still the Only person i've seen that said they had Zero Dust & they Stopped just as Good as the Original ones did. Do you even know what kind these OEM Replacement Pads are, another Lexus Brand (i know what kind of brand CarboTech is, one of the Best)? If they're that Awesome WHY didn't they put them on to began with
& as far as being Anti against the Replacement OEM Pads, RCFun is still the Only person i've seen that said they had Zero Dust & they Stopped just as Good as the Original ones did. Do you even know what kind these OEM Replacement Pads are, another Lexus Brand (i know what kind of brand CarboTech is, one of the Best)? If they're that Awesome WHY didn't they put them on to began withI agree with you that they should be using these from the beginning!
12-07-15, 09:39 AM
#40
The OEM pads on my 997 GT3 squeal no more or less than my RCF. Very, very few complain about brake dust and noise in the GT3 community - why? Because they're used to it.
So it's part and parcel to having awesome stopping power. You gain and then you take away. Pick what's more important to you. Stopping power v. dust/noise. I, for one, am glad Lexus RCF chose stopping power over LS quiet pad/rotors.
So it's part and parcel to having awesome stopping power. You gain and then you take away. Pick what's more important to you. Stopping power v. dust/noise. I, for one, am glad Lexus RCF chose stopping power over LS quiet pad/rotors.
12-07-15, 04:58 PM
#41
The OEM pads on my 997 GT3 squeal no more or less than my RCF. Very, very few complain about brake dust and noise in the GT3 community - why? Because they're used to it.
So it's part and parcel to having awesome stopping power. You gain and then you take away. Pick what's more important to you. Stopping power v. dust/noise. I, for one, am glad Lexus RCF chose stopping power over LS quiet pad/rotors.
So it's part and parcel to having awesome stopping power. You gain and then you take away. Pick what's more important to you. Stopping power v. dust/noise. I, for one, am glad Lexus RCF chose stopping power over LS quiet pad/rotors.
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12-07-15, 05:06 PM
#42
The OEM pads on my 997 GT3 squeal no more or less than my RCF. Very, very few complain about brake dust and noise in the GT3 community - why? Because they're used to it.
So it's part and parcel to having awesome stopping power. You gain and then you take away. Pick what's more important to you. Stopping power v. dust/noise. I, for one, am glad Lexus RCF chose stopping power over LS quiet pad/rotors.
So it's part and parcel to having awesome stopping power. You gain and then you take away. Pick what's more important to you. Stopping power v. dust/noise. I, for one, am glad Lexus RCF chose stopping power over LS quiet pad/rotors.
You mean you CAN'T have Brakes that stop on a Dime AND have Wheels that are Dust Free
Sorry, but MY Community Doesn't Accept THAT
12-14-15, 08:34 AM
#43
Here is my story about the OEM brake setup(and the TSB):
The noise coming from the OEM brakes was non-stop and very loud, on top of that, the dust was crazy. I would wash the wheels and in 2-3 days they were covered again, annoying to say the least. After doing some research and getting in contact with Lexus Corporate about the details of the TSB, I decided to take them up on the offer and swap out the pads. I was told by Lexus Corporate the only difference in the pads would be a slight decrease in performance when tracking the vehicle(I did not buy this car to track it). I've had the pads on for a week and there is almost no dust on my wheels, it hasn't made a single squeal and I don't feel any decrease in braking performance. Overall, I'm very happy with the new pads.
The noise coming from the OEM brakes was non-stop and very loud, on top of that, the dust was crazy. I would wash the wheels and in 2-3 days they were covered again, annoying to say the least. After doing some research and getting in contact with Lexus Corporate about the details of the TSB, I decided to take them up on the offer and swap out the pads. I was told by Lexus Corporate the only difference in the pads would be a slight decrease in performance when tracking the vehicle(I did not buy this car to track it). I've had the pads on for a week and there is almost no dust on my wheels, it hasn't made a single squeal and I don't feel any decrease in braking performance. Overall, I'm very happy with the new pads.
12-15-15, 06:46 AM
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Here is my story about the OEM brake setup(and the TSB):
The noise coming from the OEM brakes was non-stop and very loud, on top of that, the dust was crazy. I would wash the wheels and in 2-3 days they were covered again, annoying to say the least. After doing some research and getting in contact with Lexus Corporate about the details of the TSB, I decided to take them up on the offer and swap out the pads. I was told by Lexus Corporate the only difference in the pads would be a slight decrease in performance when tracking the vehicle(I did not buy this car to track it). I've had the pads on for a week and there is almost no dust on my wheels, it hasn't made a single squeal and I don't feel any decrease in braking performance. Overall, I'm very happy with the new pads.
The noise coming from the OEM brakes was non-stop and very loud, on top of that, the dust was crazy. I would wash the wheels and in 2-3 days they were covered again, annoying to say the least. After doing some research and getting in contact with Lexus Corporate about the details of the TSB, I decided to take them up on the offer and swap out the pads. I was told by Lexus Corporate the only difference in the pads would be a slight decrease in performance when tracking the vehicle(I did not buy this car to track it). I've had the pads on for a week and there is almost no dust on my wheels, it hasn't made a single squeal and I don't feel any decrease in braking performance. Overall, I'm very happy with the new pads.
12-15-15, 08:19 AM
#45
The dealer did the TSB a month ago, so far so good, no squeal and the break dust is definitely much less. By the way I don't track the car so I don't feel there is noticeable decrease in braking performance in DD driving.