"0-60 in less than 4.6 seconds"
02-21-14, 07:50 PM
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Like I stated before, LFA holds the record of the quickest lap time around Nurburgring on street Potenza tires. I am sure you fully realize the Viper SRT-10 was wearing Michelin Pilot Cup 2 racing slick compound tires. Right? (I posted the video below where national geographic talks about it at 1:31)
Regarding the Nissan GTR, LFA is so much more than just numbers. That is what people only realize when they drive it. LFA was ranked in the top 10 greatest cars ever made and has always been hailed as the greatest car ever to come out of Japan. From Jay Leno to Jeremy Clarkson to professional race car champion Sandor Van Ees.
Why do you think GTR sales plummeted by almost 80% since 2009 despite incremental improvements every year? Even if we take out the carbon fiber aspect of LFA, I see used Nissan GTRs now selling fo $50K etc. on autotrader, but all of the used LFAs still go for over $300K. NASCAR owner Rob Kauffman auctioned his LFA for $505,000. The history of 2000 GT tells it best. Most likely after 20 years, it will be selling for $1.5 million+.
Roy Mallady who owned both a modified 700 HP Nissan GTR and 2 stock LFAs would be the best person for you to ask why he calls his LFAs the best cars he ever owned .
The simple reason is, Nissan GTR is built strictly a robot-like for numbers with a single focus. Aside from the fact that the Dunlop DSST GT Maxx are proper semi slick tires would block shoulders. If numbers are what one goes by, the quickest cars on the race track cost a tiny fraction of even $100K.
LFA is a big power supercar with RWD and relatively weak Potenza tire so the 0 - 60 mph had been very inconsistently due to either bogging or too much wheelspin. Still, it could pull 125 - 126 mph trap speed and mid-low 11s.
In a more real life relevant scenario where power to weight ratio is a much bigger factor, in a rolling start 60 - 125 mph (consistently 7.1 - 7.3 seconds), 60 - 150 mph, 60 - 180 mph or 1 mile, LFA was testing much quicker than GTR.
p.s. Nissan GTR costs ~ $105,000 when LFA was in production and LFA was $375,000. That is not 5x.
Regarding the Nissan GTR, LFA is so much more than just numbers. That is what people only realize when they drive it. LFA was ranked in the top 10 greatest cars ever made and has always been hailed as the greatest car ever to come out of Japan. From Jay Leno to Jeremy Clarkson to professional race car champion Sandor Van Ees.
Why do you think GTR sales plummeted by almost 80% since 2009 despite incremental improvements every year? Even if we take out the carbon fiber aspect of LFA, I see used Nissan GTRs now selling fo $50K etc. on autotrader, but all of the used LFAs still go for over $300K. NASCAR owner Rob Kauffman auctioned his LFA for $505,000. The history of 2000 GT tells it best. Most likely after 20 years, it will be selling for $1.5 million+.
Roy Mallady who owned both a modified 700 HP Nissan GTR and 2 stock LFAs would be the best person for you to ask why he calls his LFAs the best cars he ever owned .
The simple reason is, Nissan GTR is built strictly a robot-like for numbers with a single focus. Aside from the fact that the Dunlop DSST GT Maxx are proper semi slick tires would block shoulders. If numbers are what one goes by, the quickest cars on the race track cost a tiny fraction of even $100K.
LFA is a big power supercar with RWD and relatively weak Potenza tire so the 0 - 60 mph had been very inconsistently due to either bogging or too much wheelspin. Still, it could pull 125 - 126 mph trap speed and mid-low 11s.
In a more real life relevant scenario where power to weight ratio is a much bigger factor, in a rolling start 60 - 125 mph (consistently 7.1 - 7.3 seconds), 60 - 150 mph, 60 - 180 mph or 1 mile, LFA was testing much quicker than GTR.
p.s. Nissan GTR costs ~ $105,000 when LFA was in production and LFA was $375,000. That is not 5x.
but ive never seen a GTR at 100k. ive met the owner(and he also was a driver) of the first GTR in las vegas and he paid around 80k brand new and sold the car for almost what he paid and this was right around 4-5 years ago. so like i stated above even if i say 80ish-k, thats still about roughly 5x less than 375k(closer to 4.5k less if you want to argue semantics). even bigger gap now that the price in the GTR has come down.
i understand drag racing isnt everything, and straight line isnt everything. but im sorry i would be a tad heated if i was in my 350k+ supercar and the guy in the 50k-80k car walked away from me if we were playing. its not any different than if i was in an M5 of any year and the kid in the stock mugen civic si just walked away from me if we were playing. thats just my own personal opinion. so for the record again ill say
one of the greatest cars to come from japan, sure ill co sign you all day on that. one of the greatest cars of all time, no i wont..... so i wont even continue to threadjack because this thread was about the RCF, not about the LFA
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02-21-14, 08:12 PM
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i understand drag racing isnt everything, and straight line isnt everything. but im sorry i would be a tad heated if i was in my 350k+ supercar and the guy in the 50k-80k car walked away from me if we were playing. its not any different than if i was in an M5 of any year and the kid in the stock mugen civic si just walked away from me if we were playing. thats just my own personal opinion. so for the record again ill say
one of the greatest cars to come from japan, sure ill co sign you all day on that. one of the greatest cars of all time, no i wont..... so i wont even continue to threadjack because this thread was about the RCF, not about the LFA
one of the greatest cars to come from japan, sure ill co sign you all day on that. one of the greatest cars of all time, no i wont..... so i wont even continue to threadjack because this thread was about the RCF, not about the LFA
There really is a lot more to a car than 0-60 times. Which is especially true in a car like the LFA.
Back on topic, I really hope Lexus reveals pricing soon. Like one of the earlier posters, will definitely be cross shopping the RC F against the M4, so am keen to see how they stack up against one another.
02-21-14, 08:36 PM
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Michelin officially claims a 3% per lap improvement of lap time. In a test done on an E92 M3 on a 21 KM Nurburgring, the tires alone resulted in an improvement of 10 seconds per lap.
I know it's off-topic, but I guess the owners of a new F12 Berlinetta will be pretty peeved too when the GT-R walks away from them despite their car costs 4 four times a GTR
There really is a lot more to a car than 0-60 times. Which is especially true in a car like the LFA.
Back on topic, I really hope Lexus reveals pricing soon. Like one of the earlier posters, will definitely be cross shopping the RC F against the M4, so am keen to see how they stack up against one another.
There really is a lot more to a car than 0-60 times. Which is especially true in a car like the LFA.
Back on topic, I really hope Lexus reveals pricing soon. Like one of the earlier posters, will definitely be cross shopping the RC F against the M4, so am keen to see how they stack up against one another.
Exactly. There are cars I see on the drag strip that cost less than $30K that would own any exotic supercar, but would drive poorly on the roads. Exotic supercars are not about one single thing. They are about being great at everything. I have driven many hundred thousand miles and have yet to see two supercars doing drag race off a traffic light. Have seen plenty gunning it from a roll on the highway so 0 - 60 mph is basically useless in real life.
BTW, when Clarkson drove the Ferrari F12 Berlinetta, he said "I would much rather buy an LFA" at the end of it.
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02-22-14, 10:37 PM
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i understand drag racing isnt everything, and straight line isnt everything. but im sorry i would be a tad heated if i was in my 350k+ supercar and the guy in the 50k-80k car walked away from me if we were playing. its not any different than if i was in an M5 of any year and the kid in the stock mugen civic si just walked away from me if we were playing. thats just my own personal opinion
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