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@cvt I am glad you like them. I had them for a year now on my GSF and they are amazing. So far the pad wear is very good for me and I drive very aggressively. These will never fade on the street. I had no fade on the track and I was braking late and hard as you can see in the YouTube video how much I close the gap on the car ahead of me in the braking zone. I can see the heat plumes coming off the rotor and that was after my cool down lap and I had no fade whatsoever and I got fade with my brembo on the same track. I plan to do another track day with them in September. No complaints for me With respect to quality. As a principal mechanical engineer and someone who has done dozens of brake jobs on cars and sportbikes these are some of the best pads I have seen, they are much better looking than the brembo I replaced in terms of fit and finish and noise dampening material in the back of the pad. Nothin about these pads feel cheap.
Ill never understand why people spend money on garbage brake pads. you get what you pay for.
I'll never understand people's mindset like yours. So you’ve tried the DFC brake pads to know that they are garbage?
It seems to me you just found this post and wanted to add your 2 cents to gaslight. If you had a bad experience with these pads please contribute rather than gaslighting or fear mongering.
I took a shot at these set when no one would and gave a review for the RCF. I got the Brembo pads last time and it didn’t work out then...this time i took another risk and it worked out. I think this forum needs more honest feedbacks than “you get what you pay for” comments. I admit that’s usually the case….but there are exceptions and I’ve reviewed them and took a chance and it worked out. So not sure what the problem is. Your comments would be valid if I got the pads and I went on a canyon run and fell off a cliff...LOL. Clearly not the case.
I gave a street review but some ISF guys have taken to the track and a member here with a GSF (literally the same suspension set up, engine, drivetrain) has taken it to the track and has a video on it (thanks M00sOOO4).
@cvt I am glad you like them. I had them for a year now on my GSF and they are amazing. So far the pad wear is very good for me and I drive very aggressively. These will never fade on the street. I had no fade on the track and I was braking late and hard as you can see in the YouTube video how much I close the gap on the car ahead of me in the braking zone. I can see the heat plumes coming off the rotor and that was after my cool down lap and I had no fade whatsoever and I got fade with my brembo on the same track. I plan to do another track day with them in September. No complaints for me With respect to quality. As a principal mechanical engineer and someone who has done dozens of brake jobs on cars and sportbikes these are some of the best pads I have seen, they are much better looking than the brembo I replaced in terms of fit and finish and noise dampening material in the back of the pad. Nothin about these pads feel cheap.
Thanks to you I took a shot at these pads. Some ISF guys use them on he track and they have had more experience with F cars than anyone so I decided to shoot my shot. I didn’t want to be one of those guys that are too afraid to take risks.
yeah I am seriously shocked at how well these perform. Repeated hard braking, no noise, barley dust AND affordable?? There has to be a catch right? How many miles have you had them?
Since 07LXgs350 has continued the brake pad discussion on another thread, I wanted to be transparent with the claim of a camaro owner who has used these pads. Mind you this is a different car with a different chassis and even though we have at least two F owners who have tracked the pads and love them...let's go with this camaro reviewers claim.
Mind you he has stated that his pads wore down after 4 hours of heavy track use, 50 autocross events, lots of So Cal canyons runs, and heavy LA traffic (which I am all too familiar with). Now if there are pads out there that can handle the abuse better. brilliant. have at those pads. not saying they are bad...just saying i've reviewed a street pad that seems more than capable in the street and so far two F users have used them many times in the track and love them (see Moos0004's post above and a PM from an ISF member who tracks his car).
So here are facts and not bias:
1. They are cheap compared to other pads especially the JDM brands we know.
2. 2 F owners (ISF and GSF) have tracked them and loved them.
3. I've used them on the street and canyon run and they are even a a tad overkill for that.
4. They produce little noise and dust...what brake pad that people can hop on the track can boast that at this price range? NONE.
I hope 07LXgs350 continues the discussion here as I believe we all need to see all sides of the coin....even if the other side hasn't contributed any useful or correct info. here is the PM from an ISF member that tracks his car and his glowing review of the DFC brake pads.
here are the photos on that thread for fear mongering's sake...just know this car was ran very hard and please READ the thread for full context and make the decision yourself.
Since 07LXgs350 has continued the brake pad discussion on another thread, I wanted to be transparent with the claim of a camaro owner who has used these pads. Mind you this is a different car with a different chassis and even though we have at least two F owners who have tracked the pads and love them...let's go with this camaro reviewers claim.
Mind you he has stated that his pads wore down after 4 hours of heavy track use, 50 autocross events, lots of So Cal canyons runs, and heavy LA traffic (which I am all too familiar with). Now if there are pads out there that can handle the abuse better. brilliant. have at those pads. not saying they are bad...just saying i've reviewed a street pad that seems more than capable in the street and so far two F users have used them many times in the track and love them (see Moos0004's post above and a PM from an ISF member who tracks his car).
So here are facts and not bias:
1. They are cheap compared to other pads especially the JDM brands we know.
2. 2 F owners (ISF and GSF) have tracked them and loved them.
3. I've used them on the street and canyon run and they are even a a tad overkill for that.
4. They produce little noise and dust...what brake pad that people can hop on the track can boast that at this price range? NONE.
I hope 07LXgs350 continues the discussion here as I believe we all need to see all sides of the coin....even if the other side hasn't contributed any useful or correct info. here is the PM from an ISF member that tracks his car and his glowing review of the DFC brake pads.
here are the photos on that thread for fear mongering's sake...just know this car was ran very hard and please READ the thread for full context and make the decision yourself.
There's a reason there are very few people running these pads - even on amazon you'll find very few reviews.. IDGAF about 2 peoples reviews - you can chalk that up to choice-support bias / post-purchase rationalization - it means nothing. Just so you know its impossible to have low dust, low noise, and great stopping power in a brake pad - something has to give. By their own measure dynamic friction says that these pads product moderate to high levels of dust:
Since these are all semi metallic pads it depends on the metal content (typically between 30-70% metal - i.e. copper, iron, steel, etc.). The higher the metal content the better they will be for track driving as they can dissipate heat better and they do not compress as much as they heat up. The disadvantage is that they are noisy and dusty (like the OEM pads, Porsches are notorious for this as well). There's always a trade off. Since these are their high end track pads they should stand up to heavy track use and we can see with evidence that they degraded and fell apart - I have yet to see the OEM pads behave in that manner. Your claim that the Camaro is a different car is a moot point - his car has a little less power and weighs a little less than the RCF. BTW I'm not fear mongering, I just think its stupid (and cheap) to put 70$ pads on a 80k$ sports car.
Enjoy your walmart pads.
Originally Posted by cvt
Since 07LXgs350 has continued the brake pad discussion on another thread, I wanted to be transparent with the claim of a camaro owner who has used these pads. Mind you this is a different car with a different chassis and even though we have at least two F owners who have tracked the pads and love them...let's go with this camaro reviewers claim.
Mind you he has stated that his pads wore down after 4 hours of heavy track use, 50 autocross events, lots of So Cal canyons runs, and heavy LA traffic (which I am all too familiar with). Now if there are pads out there that can handle the abuse better. brilliant. have at those pads. not saying they are bad...just saying i've reviewed a street pad that seems more than capable in the street and so far two F users have used them many times in the track and love them (see Moos0004's post above and a PM from an ISF member who tracks his car).
So here are facts and not bias:
1. They are cheap compared to other pads especially the JDM brands we know.
2. 2 F owners (ISF and GSF) have tracked them and loved them.
3. I've used them on the street and canyon run and they are even a a tad overkill for that.
4. They produce little noise and dust...what brake pad that people can hop on the track can boast that at this price range? NONE.
I hope 07LXgs350 continues the discussion here as I believe we all need to see all sides of the coin....even if the other side hasn't contributed any useful or correct info. here is the PM from an ISF member that tracks his car and his glowing review of the DFC brake pads.
here are the photos on that thread for fear mongering's sake...just know this car was ran very hard and please READ the thread for full context and make the decision yourself.
There's a reason there are very few people running these pads - even on amazon you'll find very few reviews.. IDGAF about 2 peoples reviews - you can chalk that up to choice-support bias / post-purchase rationalization - it means nothing. Just so you know its impossible to have low dust, low noise, and great stopping power in a brake pad - something has to give. By their own measure dynamic friction says that these pads product moderate to high levels of dust:
Since these are all semi metallic pads it depends on the metal content (typically between 30-70% metal - i.e. copper, iron, steel, etc.). The higher the metal content the better they will be for track driving as they can dissipate heat better and they do not compress as much as they heat up. The disadvantage is that they are noisy and dusty (like the OEM pads, Porsches are notorious for this as well). There's always a trade off. Since these are their high end track pads they should stand up to heavy track use and we can see with evidence that they degraded and fell apart - I have yet to see the OEM pads behave in that manner. Your claim that the Camaro is a different car is a moot point - his car has a little less power and weighs a little less than the RCF. BTW I'm not fear mongering, I just think its stupid (and cheap) to put 70$ pads on a 80k$ sports car.
Enjoy your walmart pads.
So 3 people's reviews on this forum who own F cars means nothing even with one posting an actual vid to a track using the pads?
Wow. Thank you for your insight. I am sure you are very proud of your very generalized argument with no direct experience with the product in question.
Thank you for making your case and the forums so....lively.
Since these are their high end track pads they should stand up to heavy track use and we can see with evidence that they degraded and fell apart -
So what do track pads look like after 4 hours of heavy track work, 50 autocross sessions, multiple canyon runs, and used double duty for heat LA traffic commuting with his driving style (which skill plays a large part in brake pad wear as well)? In his own admission in the post after all that he still liked the pads and went with different pads after his skill set and heat requirements changed. And FYI this is not a full on track pad! Even the owner of DFC even states that in the video below. This is a "compromise" pad that you can use on the street and hop on a track for casual track work....not full on competition. I'm sure with your "experience" you would know that full on track pads don't work well in street driving.
Your argument boils down to a generalization that "it's $70 pads...they are automatically garage" and keep critiquing a product you have no direct experience in...first hand...second hand or otherwise.
I reviewed them on the street and 2 other F owners have used them on the track to positive reviews. You immediately discredit ALL of them due to consumer bias to satisfy your point of view.
I think we have made our case and we can let the people on this forum decide from there.
i looked up that Camero pad (p/n 1000188600) using the part number and that is not even the same type of pad. you are comparing apples and oranges. Let me be CLEAR the camero pad was not active performace pad. It was a different catagory of pads by the same company and to make matters worse the camero was a single piston caliper and same pads are also on chevy equinox and buicks small suv. No wonder it failed, you are asking a single pistion to distribute force and dissapate heat from such a large car on the track. Good luck finding a pad that can do that. Note: There is an active performance option for the camero but that Camero was NOT equipped with Brembo 4 piston caliper which the guy on the camero forum did not have as he stated he had a single piston caliper and does pads look small. I dont care what brand of pads you have on, but i would not be tracking a car with a single piston caliper. The GSF/RCF/ISF as we know have 6 piston calipers disigned to evenly apply forces on a brake pad, hence the great stopping power and ability to modulate the pedal under braking. With respectt to dust, these dynamic friction pads produced much less dust as compared to my brembo pads. typically with my brembo pad the front is about twice as dusty as the rear and with these active perfromace pad they are same level of dust as the rear brembo. Here are some pics after about a month worth of drive (about 500 miles) front dust (dynamic friction active perfomance pads)- same level of dust as the rear Brembo Rear Pads.
Last edited by Moos0004; Aug 23, 2023 at 10:29 AM.
Reason: adding pics
Im pretty sure the camaro SS uses 2 piston brembo calipers, but Im far from a camaro expert.
Originally Posted by Moos0004
i looked up that Camero pad (p/n 1000188600) using the part number and that is not even the same type of pad. you are comparing apples and oranges. Let me be CLEAR the camero pad was not active performace pad. It was a different catagory of pads by the same company and to make matters worse the camero was a single piston caliper and same pads are also on chevy equinox and buicks small suv. No wonder it failed, you are asking a single pistion to distribute force and dissapate heat from such a large car on the track. Good luck finding a pad that can do that. Note: There is an active performance option for the camero but that Camero was NOT equipped with Brembo 4 piston caliper which the guy on the camero forum did not have as he stated he had a single piston caliper and does pads look small. I dont care what brand of pads you have on, but i would not be tracking a car with a single piston caliper. The GSF/RCF/ISF as we know have 6 piston calipers disigned to evenly apply forces on a brake pad, hence the great stopping power and ability to modulate the pedal under braking. With respectt to dust, these dynamic friction pads produced much less dust as compared to my brembo pads. typically with my brembo pad the front is about twice as dusty as the rear and with these active perfromace pad they are same level of dust as the rear brembo. Here are some pics after about a month worth of drive (about 500 miles) front dust (dynamic friction active perfomance pads)- same level of dust as the rear Brembo Rear Pads.
i looked up that Camero pad (p/n 1000188600) using the part number and that is not even the same type of pad. you are comparing apples and oranges. Let me be CLEAR the camero pad was not active performace pad. It was a different catagory of pads by the same company and to make matters worse the camero was a single piston caliper and same pads are also on chevy equinox and buicks small suv. No wonder it failed, you are asking a single pistion to distribute force and dissapate heat from such a large car on the track. Good luck finding a pad that can do that. Note: There is an active performance option for the camero but that Camero was NOT equipped with Brembo 4 piston caliper which the guy on the camero forum did not have as he stated he had a single piston caliper and does pads look small. I dont care what brand of pads you have on, but i would not be tracking a car with a single piston caliper. The GSF/RCF/ISF as we know have 6 piston calipers disigned to evenly apply forces on a brake pad, hence the great stopping power and ability to modulate the pedal under braking. With respectt to dust, these dynamic friction pads produced much less dust as compared to my brembo pads. typically with my brembo pad the front is about twice as dusty as the rear and with these active perfromace pad they are same level of dust as the rear brembo. Here are some pics after about a month worth of drive (about 500 miles) front dust (dynamic friction active perfomance pads)- same level of dust as the rear Brembo Rear Pads.
LOL
Thanks Moos0004 for displaying some facts. Please use this thread to update us on any ownership experience you may have good AND bad. I will do the same. This way we are all informed and we get our personal reviews out for people to come to their own conclusions.
@07LXgs350 i am pretty sure you are wrong...Camero LS. Please start posting facts or stop posting on this thread. you are comparing two different pads. This screenshot is directly from the camero forum. Please look up if you dont believe. So far you have not added anything useful.
Im pretty sure the camaro SS uses 2 piston brembo calipers, but Im far from a camaro expert.
The camaro guy posts he had a 2018 Camaro LS with the DFC pads. Not SS.
It's on the first post of that thread you discovered. He upgraded to a 1LE SS later on.
"I am looking to get some better brake pads for my 2018 Camaro LS with single piston stock brakes, and the performance options for these brakes are highly limited. While browsing RockAutoI stumbled upon"
Indeed looked up the caliper and they are single piston.
On top of that he is not even using the active performance pads in question.
@07LXgs350 i am pretty sure you are wrong...Camero LS. Please start posting facts or stop posting on this thread. you are comparing two different pads. This screenshot is directly from the camero forum. Please look up if you dont believe. So far you have not added anything useful.
