OBX ITB's???
09-11-10, 08:56 PM
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As for the NA vs. Turbo debate, sure the difference in power to money ratio are justified, but the tools and skills needed to bring out power in an NA application is something worth commending. To get it to where you can drive it everyday is a feat in itself, which is why most high hp NA applications are mostly track cars and not daily beaters. Still, i would take a good NA build over a turbo build any day.
09-11-10, 09:18 PM
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500whp on an n/a 4.0l 1uzfe v8 on pump gas... I'll believe that when my **** turns purple and taste like rainbow sherbet.
Ssergio86, you really should do some research before posting.
You will make more power down low and up top with a smaller twin turbo setup on the 1uz than n/a garbage. The larger displacement will spool small twins incredibly quick, and you can chose the power level that works for you. N/A you can retard the timing to cut power, but you will be slow as hell with a n/a setup on a 3800lb car no matter what. With ITB's, headers, intake, exhaust, standalone ecu, torque converter, lsd, new wheels and tires, fuel system, and the labor you might be able to go low-mid 12's if you get the perfect conditions and are lucky... That's just stupid to do for the money.
Ssergio86, you really should do some research before posting.
You will make more power down low and up top with a smaller twin turbo setup on the 1uz than n/a garbage. The larger displacement will spool small twins incredibly quick, and you can chose the power level that works for you. N/A you can retard the timing to cut power, but you will be slow as hell with a n/a setup on a 3800lb car no matter what. With ITB's, headers, intake, exhaust, standalone ecu, torque converter, lsd, new wheels and tires, fuel system, and the labor you might be able to go low-mid 12's if you get the perfect conditions and are lucky... That's just stupid to do for the money.
09-11-10, 10:14 PM
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lol it's funny that no one's heard of this sooner. I heard the words OBX and ITB and i still don't believe it...
As for the NA vs. Turbo debate, sure the difference in power to money ratio are justified, but the tools and skills needed to bring out power in an NA application is something worth commending. To get it to where you can drive it everyday is a feat in itself, which is why most high hp NA applications are mostly track cars and not daily beaters. Still, i would take a good NA build over a turbo build any day.
As for the NA vs. Turbo debate, sure the difference in power to money ratio are justified, but the tools and skills needed to bring out power in an NA application is something worth commending. To get it to where you can drive it everyday is a feat in itself, which is why most high hp NA applications are mostly track cars and not daily beaters. Still, i would take a good NA build over a turbo build any day.
Thats okay, I would never waste my time with such a **** company anyways.
09-12-10, 02:26 PM
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High compression is is what makes throttle response, and that is what I was talking about, linear power-band's hold traction, not nonlinear ones like boost. I wasn't saying that you will make more power down low on an N/A build. I just think its a lot more fun having immediate throttle response from an high compression N/A build with ITB's, then a turbo motor with low compression and lag. If turbo's are so much better then high compression N/A builds, then why are all the high end sports cars 8 and 10 cylinder N/A monster's? Exactly. . .
09-12-10, 03:13 PM
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High compression is is what makes throttle response, and that is what I was talking about, linear power-band's hold traction, not nonlinear ones like boost. I wasn't saying that you will make more power down low on an N/A build. I just think its a lot more fun having immediate throttle response from an high compression N/A build with ITB's, then a turbo motor with low compression and lag. If turbo's are so much better then high compression N/A builds, then why are all the high end sports cars 8 and 10 cylinder N/A monster's? Exactly. . .
and why are all the worlds 1320 records held by f/i cars...everything from top fuels, to 4cyl that hold world records for 1/4mi times are either turbo or supercharged for a reason..Seriously, when was the last time you have seen an n/a MK4 Supra keep up with the Titan or WOTM Supra..EXACTLY
Oh and on a side note, Lexus isnt a "high end" sports car, especially the SC400 (no offense)..its a 4.0l V8. If it was a 7.0L V-8 then go for it, but in the end to hit the "500RWHP" range without f/i, you would be better of buying a Z06..not to mention those "high end" sports cars you speak of, come with a $60+ price tag for a reason and its more than just the name.
09-12-10, 07:30 PM
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and why are all the worlds 1320 records held by f/i cars...everything from top fuels, to 4cyl that hold world records for 1/4mi times are either turbo or supercharged for a reason..Seriously, when was the last time you have seen an n/a MK4 Supra keep up with the Titan or WOTM Supra..EXACTLY
Oh and on a side note, Lexus isnt a "high end" sports car, especially the SC400 (no offense)..its a 4.0l V8. If it was a 7.0L V-8 then go for it, but in the end to hit the "500RWHP" range without f/i, you would be better of buying a Z06..not to mention those "high end" sports cars you speak of, come with a $60+ price tag for a reason and its more than just the name.
Oh and on a side note, Lexus isnt a "high end" sports car, especially the SC400 (no offense)..its a 4.0l V8. If it was a 7.0L V-8 then go for it, but in the end to hit the "500RWHP" range without f/i, you would be better of buying a Z06..not to mention those "high end" sports cars you speak of, come with a $60+ price tag for a reason and its more than just the name.
^ Said perfectly, although I disagree with buying a ZO6 in any circumstance.
With this heavy of a car, n/a is completely hopeless for the limited hp you can make and the outrageous cost compared to forced induction.
09-12-10, 09:55 PM
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and why are all the worlds 1320 records held by f/i cars...everything from top fuels, to 4cyl that hold world records for 1/4mi times are either turbo or supercharged for a reason..Seriously, when was the last time you have seen an n/a MK4 Supra keep up with the Titan or WOTM Supra..EXACTLY
Oh and on a side note, Lexus isnt a "high end" sports car, especially the SC400 (no offense)..its a 4.0l V8. If it was a 7.0L V-8 then go for it, but in the end to hit the "500RWHP" range without f/i, you would be better of buying a Z06..not to mention those "high end" sports cars you speak of, come with a $60+ price tag for a reason and its more than just the name.
Oh and on a side note, Lexus isnt a "high end" sports car, especially the SC400 (no offense)..its a 4.0l V8. If it was a 7.0L V-8 then go for it, but in the end to hit the "500RWHP" range without f/i, you would be better of buying a Z06..not to mention those "high end" sports cars you speak of, come with a $60+ price tag for a reason and its more than just the name.
Since when is this a contest about quarter mile times? Its about daily driving a responsive v8. This isn't a horsepower contest. Do you think Ferrari and all the high end sports car's build there cars specifically for the 1320? No. I never said lexus is a high end sports car, maybe the LFA is but thats it.
09-12-10, 10:53 PM
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Since when is this a contest about quarter mile times? Its about daily driving a responsive v8. This isn't a horsepower contest. Do you think Ferrari and all the high end sports car's build there cars specifically for the 1320? No. I never said lexus is a high end sports car, maybe the LFA is but thats it.
09-13-10, 07:46 AM
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I think N/A and turbo will cost you pretty much the same, if you do it the right way, (not in the see when it blows way) I can agree to the fact that you will make more horse power from a turbo engine, specially one like the 1jz or a 2jz. but no one likes a dyno queen, stupid horse power good for nothing, or just to go on a straight line.....there is more than the quarter mile ya know?.....
so let's say you wanna build a turbo engine the right way and then the N/A in the same way let's see money wise what you'll spend
turbo charger (not a chinese one a good one) 1k-3k
turbo manifold $300-$500 (again a good brand or custom made)
westgate $300
downpipe $300
3" or plus exhaust $500-1k
blow off valve $200-$500
forged internals 2k
head gasket $200
cams 1.5k (optional)
valve train 1k
intercooler $600-1k
intercooler piping $500
turbo clamps $200
FPR $200
inyectors 1k
stan alone ECU 1k-3k
map sensor $100-$300
harness $200
EVC $500
turbo timer $300
boost gauge $200
EGT gage $250
AFR $200-$600
tuning and dyno time 1k-2k
I know I am missing stuff here
ok now the N/A set up
all of the above minus
turbocharger -1k,3k
intercooler $600
intercooler piping $300
westgate $300
turbo manifold $300
boost gauge $200
EVC -$400
turbo timer -$300
turbo clamps $200
inyectors -1k (they come with the ITB kit)
now what you will have to add to the build
ITB 1.5k-2.5k
Headers 1k
cams 1.5k
head work $500
lighter flywheel $300
forged crankshaft 600$-1.5K (Optional)
i think I may be missing something please feel free to add to any of the set ups.
Once again these prices are an approximate not the actual price. But even so in my calculator both of the set ups are pretty close in price (n/a may be a tiny bit cheaper) but with no doubt you will make probably double the horse power with the turbo application,...but non streetable, and probably useless HP, because u will have to make the car in to a dyno queen, because u would have so much freaking horse power that u wouldn't be able to put it down to the wheels even in quarter mile all u would have is wheel spin.....
so let's say that u made the 500HP on ur stock internals and a cheap *** turbo and other parts.....take it around the track and see how many laps u would do with out either over heating or blowing it?.....plus turbo cars never ever are on high boost on a daily basis only when needed. N/A power is always there.
......look I love turbo cars, love them, i just think it was a little too much to call it "N/A garbage". knowing that all the great race cars in the world are N/A and mostly V8's including the Japanese super GT Skylines, and formula one cars.
so let's say you wanna build a turbo engine the right way and then the N/A in the same way let's see money wise what you'll spend
turbo charger (not a chinese one a good one) 1k-3k
turbo manifold $300-$500 (again a good brand or custom made)
westgate $300
downpipe $300
3" or plus exhaust $500-1k
blow off valve $200-$500
forged internals 2k
head gasket $200
cams 1.5k (optional)
valve train 1k
intercooler $600-1k
intercooler piping $500
turbo clamps $200
FPR $200
inyectors 1k
stan alone ECU 1k-3k
map sensor $100-$300
harness $200
EVC $500
turbo timer $300
boost gauge $200
EGT gage $250
AFR $200-$600
tuning and dyno time 1k-2k
I know I am missing stuff here
ok now the N/A set up
all of the above minus
turbocharger -1k,3k
intercooler $600
intercooler piping $300
westgate $300
turbo manifold $300
boost gauge $200
EVC -$400
turbo timer -$300
turbo clamps $200
inyectors -1k (they come with the ITB kit)
now what you will have to add to the build
ITB 1.5k-2.5k
Headers 1k
cams 1.5k
head work $500
lighter flywheel $300
forged crankshaft 600$-1.5K (Optional)
i think I may be missing something please feel free to add to any of the set ups.
Once again these prices are an approximate not the actual price. But even so in my calculator both of the set ups are pretty close in price (n/a may be a tiny bit cheaper) but with no doubt you will make probably double the horse power with the turbo application,...but non streetable, and probably useless HP, because u will have to make the car in to a dyno queen, because u would have so much freaking horse power that u wouldn't be able to put it down to the wheels even in quarter mile all u would have is wheel spin.....
so let's say that u made the 500HP on ur stock internals and a cheap *** turbo and other parts.....take it around the track and see how many laps u would do with out either over heating or blowing it?.....plus turbo cars never ever are on high boost on a daily basis only when needed. N/A power is always there.
......look I love turbo cars, love them, i just think it was a little too much to call it "N/A garbage". knowing that all the great race cars in the world are N/A and mostly V8's including the Japanese super GT Skylines, and formula one cars.
09-13-10, 08:01 AM
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Once again these prices are an approximate not the actual price. But even so in my calculator both of the set ups are pretty close in price (n/a may be a tiny bit cheaper) but with no doubt you will make probably double the horse power with the turbo application,...but non streetable, and probably useless HP, because u will have to make the car in to a dyno queen, because u would have so much freaking horse power that u wouldn't be able to put it down to the wheels even in quarter mile all u would have is wheel spin.....
so let's say that u made the 500HP on ur stock internals and a cheap *** turbo and other parts.....take it around the track and see how many laps u would do with out either over heating or blowing it?.....plus turbo cars never ever are on high boost on a daily basis only when needed. N/A power is always there.
......look I love turbo cars, love them, i just think it was a little too much to call it "N/A garbage". knowing that all the great race cars in the world are N/A and mostly V8's including the Japanese super GT Skylines, and formula one cars.
so let's say that u made the 500HP on ur stock internals and a cheap *** turbo and other parts.....take it around the track and see how many laps u would do with out either over heating or blowing it?.....plus turbo cars never ever are on high boost on a daily basis only when needed. N/A power is always there.
......look I love turbo cars, love them, i just think it was a little too much to call it "N/A garbage". knowing that all the great race cars in the world are N/A and mostly V8's including the Japanese super GT Skylines, and formula one cars.
and why does it have to be a cheap *** turbo.
there are like 800+hp sc's putting down all that power just fine, it doesn't matter the type of engine or whether you are using magical pixie dust to propel you, it all goes to the same wheels.
Most of us here have turbo cars that are driven on a regular basis, Alot of us use them as daily drivers. don't beat down turbo's because you want to do an n/a. You are going to have to do it because you enjoy it or you think its awesome, not because its better than a turbo 1uz cause majority disagrees on this one.
And I say good day to you sir.
09-13-10, 08:15 AM
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first I LOVE TURBO ENGINES but i love N/a too i wasn't trash talking about turbo cars i was just contrasting and comparing.
and second honestly u wont make 800hp on N/A 1uz ever....unless u have a nitrous shot of 300-400hp lol
I have a 1uz, and I can't wait to build my 1jz...but my opinion is that both ways to go are awesome and there is no need to trash talk them in any way.
and second honestly u wont make 800hp on N/A 1uz ever....unless u have a nitrous shot of 300-400hp lol
I have a 1uz, and I can't wait to build my 1jz...but my opinion is that both ways to go are awesome and there is no need to trash talk them in any way.
09-13-10, 08:25 AM
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I obviously meant 800+hp on a 2jz notice I wrote SC's, the car can put the power down.
As long as you know what you are in for, A ITB 1uz will sounds awesome I am sure and should perform better than stock. It would be great to see the completed product and I will definately keep an eye out for it as it will be super unique, its just hard to be "fast" in the SC world without a turbo these days.
As long as you know what you are in for, A ITB 1uz will sounds awesome I am sure and should perform better than stock. It would be great to see the completed product and I will definately keep an eye out for it as it will be super unique, its just hard to be "fast" in the SC world without a turbo these days.
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we're talking about if n/a tuning benefits the sc300/400 compared to turbo and not n/a vs turbo as a whole, that is another subject. PERSONALLY, n/a tuning has no place with the sc300/400 because of the weight issue among others with other cars its a different story. why would you consider such a thing when the 1jz/2jz motor has so much potential?