https://lexusenthusiast.com/2020/04/...4-2-5l-engine/

 

Since the current NX is a mechanical clone of the 2013 Toyota Harrier, the next one would probably be based off the 2021 Toyota Harrier, which was announced just this week.

2021 Toyota Harrier Confirmed To Debut In June

 

More hints about NX here

Source:
- https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/l...tag=CAD590a51e
- https://www.macheclub.com/threads/le...vs-mach-e.802/

 

Numerous discussions on the RX forum claim the RX is the clone to the Harrier, rather than the NX. Can anyone confirm if it is the NX or RX, and what is your source for this information? Thanks.

 

Can't speak of later RX models but my, long gone, 2008 RX350 was almost direct clone of the Harrier.

 

99.9% sure the 2021 NX will have a plug-in hybrid clone of the RAV4 coming out this spring. Give me 39 miles of electric range then 40 mpg's after with 300 horsepower, HUD and Android Auto and I will be first in line. The RAV4 is the #1 selling vehicle in the country. It also will be 4 inches longer then the current NX.

 

Having driven (and been a passenger) of the new RAV4, I'm concerned with the 2.5L if it indeed will be the engine for the NX 250 as it is relatively unrefined. It is uncharacteristically coarse-feeling and loud above +-3500 rpm, even for a Toyota. Lexus will need to up the NVH to mask the engine's flaws.

As for the other engines, I'm expecting
- the 2L T carried over (in the NX 300) with a slight bump in power ~245hp
- a 2.4L T rumored in the new IS (in the NX 350, possibly reserved for the F Sport?), ~300hp
- the current RAV4/ES300h 2.5L Hybrid (in the NX350h), ~225hp
- the plug-in RAV4's 2.5L hybrid (in the NX 450h+), ~225 hp / ~35 miles EV

A longshot possibility I'm just throwing out there is a de-tuned version of the current 2L T for the NX 250 ~200hp (much like exists with the 3.5L V6 detuned in the IS 300 AWD vs the IS350). I would prefer this over the 2.5L N/A.

 

- The 2013 Harrier has the 8AR-FTS NX200t motor available for it in other markets. This is the same motor the NX200t has.
- I have purchased and installed the Cusco front strut tower brace for the ASU65W Harrier in the 2015 NX200t.
- I have purchased and installed (and eventually removed) the Cusco front sway bar for the ASU65W Harrier in the 2015 NX200t.
- I have purchased and installed the rear sway bar for the ASU65W Harrier in the 2015 NX200t.
- JP-Carparts.com has an abundance of parts diagrams for both vehicles. AGZ15 for the NX, ASU65W/ZSU65W for the 2013 Harrier. The AVU models, on the other hand, correspond to the NX300h. I referred to the diagrams before ordering all the above parts.
- Bilstein Japan's BSS6087J B14 coilover kit is listed for both the NX and the Harrier. Same goes for Tein's VSQ92-C1AS3 Flex Z coilover kit.
- Wikipedia is actually informative about this. The Harrier was related to the RX up to the latter's 2nd generation only. There are no Harrier equivalents for the 2010 model and onwards. (We have the 2012 and 2016 F-Sport, also refer to JP-Carparts.com to look for parts, and found nothing much in common with the Harrier.)
- The RX kept growing through its generations, while the Harrier didn't really have substantial increases in size.

I hope the above is satisfactory. Cheers

PS: By referring to JP-Carparts.com and cross referencing with other sites, I found that:

The front sway bar for our NXs is shared among the Toyota Harrier, Alphard, Vellfire, Previa, Prius V, and RAV4.
The front lower control arm and ball joints are shared among the Harrier, RAV4, Alphard, and Vellfire.
The rear suspension is virtually identical to the Harrier and XA40 RAV4.

It's amazing how Toyota/Lexus can create very different feeling vehicles by combining the parts of vehicles they already have. Knowing these also opens up the floodgates to so many mods from global sources.

 

The NX450h+ will probably be based on the RAV4 Prime PHEV, and that's an exciting proposition. I really hope it comes out in our tiny market, where nary a plug-in is sold.

 

I agree with your sentiments, however I believe the Ford F-150 is the best selling vehicle in the US. The RAV4 is the best selling SUV / Crossover.

 

Absolutely correct. The top four selling models in order are the F-150, Dodge Ram, Silverado and RAV4. So the RAV 4 is the number one selling SUV or sedan

 

The Harrier is supposed to be stateside this year as a 2021 resurrected Venza Hybrid, its always been linked to the Highlander though overseas so comparable to the RX - def not the NX.

 

Saw a news about their new SUV that is LQ. but that one is more of the high end suv rather than NX. but do look forward to see redesign NX

 

Hello. I don't want to derail the topic you started, but would like to clear this up for the benefit of all. (Maybe it's not derailing, if the next NX were to again be based on the new Harrier.) Please do not misconstrue this as starting an argument or anything.

The aftermarket suspension bits I currently run in the NX were mostly marketed as Harrier applications. Cusco's Harrier part brochure HERE includes images of the Harrier's underside. While the ASU65W 2.0 turbo model had yet to be introduced when they made this brochure, photos for the other motor options show that the undersides are identical to both NX variants, down to the solid 8 bolt plate holding the front sway bar bushings. (The RAV4 has 2 separate 4 bolt plates for this.) The RX's underside, on the other hand, looks very different. Note the absence of a propeller shaft in Cusco's ZSU60W photos. 60W = FWD, 65W = AWD, in the same manner that the 2.0T NX FWD is AGZ10 while the AWD is AGZ15.

While the Highlander is indeed mentioned as a related model in the Harrier's wiki page, the screen grabs below show that the Harrier is even more related to the RAV4 and NX:







The Vanguard mentioned was a shorter version of the 2006-2012 RAV4, and I remember seeing them in Japan and Singapore without the rear door mounted spare tire that the RAV4 had. Hope this cleared things out!

 

I believe the New Harrier falls between the current NX and RX models. This would fall in nicely to Toyota's lineup --Rav4-Harrier-Highlander.

Rumors are the next gen NX will be slightly larger so maybe a Harrier clone?

In any event I hope the new Harrier is offered as it is the perfect size for me personally. I loved my first gen (03/07) Highlanders before Toyota ruined the Highlander making it a 3 row.