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Old 01-17-05, 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by mburnickas
You will NEVER see Redline or Amsoil at your local wal-fart. It is too expensive for them.

Becoming a dealer is very easy and if you order more then two cases of oil, for example it is worth it. See, if you were using Redline or Amsoil the Florida trip would not even be an issue! Redline and Amsoil are VERY close in properties. I use Amsoil since I get it cheaper. I know just by looking at Mobil SS it does not contain the right amount of ZDDP for me.
The two companies should merge then! lol j/k. The website said something about if I purchase $100 worth of oil )or Amsoil products), I get it for wholesale or something which is a pretty good deal I guess.....the question is, how much for shipping & handling? How much do I charge 'others' for the oil if I sell it to them? Same for oil filters & the ATF.

Speaking of ATF, I guess since we require ATF for the power steering fluid, I could use the Amsoil in there too couldn't I?

I'd be very courious......if Redline & Amsoil are so close.......if one studies everything right down to the 'minute' detail......which one has the ever so slightest edge 'overall' & why? (price aside now).
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The two companies should merge then! lol j/k. The website said something about if I purchase $100 worth of oil )or Amsoil products), I get it for wholesale or something which is a pretty good deal I guess.....the question is, how much for shipping & handling? How much do I charge 'others' for the oil if I sell it to them? Same for oil filters & the ATF.

Speaking of ATF, I guess since we require ATF for the power steering fluid, I could use the Amsoil in there too couldn't I?

I'd be very courious......if Redline & Amsoil are so close.......if one studies everything right down to the 'minute' detail......which one has the ever so slightest edge 'overall' & why? (price aside now).
S/h is by the lb. It is like XX dollars per lb, then it is cents per lb. When I sold it I sold it between retail and my cost. I ordered as much as I could at one time to save on shipping.

The ATF is perfect for PS. If both are are down to wire I would select the one the can go the longest. Redline has more moly in it but on the flip side Amsoil has a high TBN. It is a tough call but again, I would select one that can got the longest
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Originally Posted by mburnickas
S/h is by the lb. It is like XX dollars per lb, then it is cents per lb. When I sold it I sold it between retail and my cost. I ordered as much as I could at one time to save on shipping.

The ATF is perfect for PS. If both are are down to wire I would select the one the can go the longest. Redline has more moly in it but on the flip side Amsoil has a high TBN. It is a tough call but again, I would select one that can got the longest
Sounds like it's still a coin toss lol
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Originally Posted by Lexusfreak
Sounds like it's still a coin toss lol

Depends Redline oils can go up to 25K miles but they rec;
highway:12,000 and 18,000 miles
city: 10,000-12,000 mile drains are suggested.

My guess since I use Amosil and go over that with mostly city I would use Amsoil for City users and high is both.
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Originally Posted by mburnickas
Depends Redline oils can go up to 25K miles but they rec;
highway:12,000 and 18,000 miles
city: 10,000-12,000 mile drains are suggested.

My guess since I use Amosil and go over that with mostly city I would use Amsoil for City users and high is both.
Since I do about 70% city & 30% highway.......I guess Amsoil it is. At the 'moment' at least, I don't think I have any more questions on this subject.....mburn (and probably the rest of CL for that matter) must be saying to themselves "Thank God!" lol.
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Red face According to Redline:

I posed the same questions I did for Mobil to Redline........here is their response comparing Amsoil to Redline Synthetic:

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I don't have a specific comparison test to the Mobil 1 product, but will attach the Amsoil tech report using the 4 ball wear test and the motor oil tech report. The Amsoil and I believe currently both use a PAO base stock, Red Line uses a polyol ester base stock. The polyol ester base stock is the only base that can handle the tremendous temperatures and extremes in a modern jet aircraft engine. This base gives the Red Line Oils the highest film-strength available, excellent thermal stability, reduced wear for longer engine life. The ester offers the unique ability to cling to surfaces offering protection before oil pressure is established, rather than being repelled from the surface as other base stocks are. The Red Line additive package combines to offer improved protection, longer drain intervals, better performance and economy.

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Originally Posted by Lexusfreak
I posed the same questions I did for Mobil to Redline........here is their response comparing Amsoil to Redline Synthetic:

Brenden,

I don't have a specific comparison test to the Mobil 1 product, but will attach the Amsoil tech report using the 4 ball wear test and the motor oil tech report. The Amsoil and I believe currently both use a PAO base stock, Red Line uses a polyol ester base stock. The polyol ester base stock is the only base that can handle the tremendous temperatures and extremes in a modern jet aircraft engine. This base gives the Red Line Oils the highest film-strength available, excellent thermal stability, reduced wear for longer engine life. The ester offers the unique ability to cling to surfaces offering protection before oil pressure is established, rather than being repelled from the surface as other base stocks are. The Red Line additive package combines to offer improved protection, longer drain intervals, better performance and economy.

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Nothing new here. Redline is a good oil. It is a group 5 as I noted before. Amsoil is a 4/5. I agree with 99% of it but "longer drain intervals". Compared to what? The only two things to keep me from using it is the price and that they say not to go over XX miles on oil.

If you are looking for someone to come out and say yes Amsoil is better, from a perticular business, keep writing emails. I do like how Redline is not a stuck up as the Mobil moron was/is.

In the end both oils, I think are the best out there.
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Originally Posted by mburnickas
Nothing new here. Redline is a good oil. It is a group 5 as I noted before. Amsoil is a 4/5. I agree with 99% of it but "longer drain intervals". Compared to what? The only two things to keep me from using it is the price and that they say not to go over XX miles on oil.

If you are looking for someone to come out and say yes Amsoil is better, from a perticular business, keep writing emails. I do like how Redline is not a stuck up as the Mobil moron was/is.

In the end both oils, I think are the best out there.
Agreed mburn.....the Mobil 1 guy was VERY defensive......at least this guy wasen't totally dissing the 'competition' but still got his point across that his product was superior.......in amore professional manner. I'm still leaning towards Amsoil. I guess there would be no advantage in getting a 0W 30 or 40 oil?
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Any test datas on Vavoline? Their prices is about the same as Mobil 1. Any valvoline user? Please voice your opinion.
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Any test datas on Vavoline? Their prices is about the same as Mobil 1. Any valvoline user? Please voice your opinion.
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I considered Valvoline, but not many folks on here or LOC use it from what I can tell. I'm guessing even their synthetic is only a group 3 oil at best?
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Originally Posted by Lexusfreak
I considered Valvoline, but not many folks on here or LOC use it from what I can tell. I'm guessing even their synthetic is only a group 3 oil at best?

BINGO! Valvoline is a group III and a group I carrier oil. If the price was the same as Mobil 1, I would have to go with M1.
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Originally Posted by mburnickas
BINGO! Valvoline is a group III and a group I carrier oil. If the price was the same as Mobil 1, I would have to go with M1.
I thought so mburn (I'm starting to get the hang of this lol).......you mention a "Group I carrier oil".......I'm not sure what you mean by that?
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Originally Posted by Lexusfreak
I thought so mburn (I'm starting to get the hang of this lol).......you mention a "Group I carrier oil".......I'm not sure what you mean by that?
They put a grp 1 to get some adds in there.
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Originally Posted by mburnickas
They put a grp 1 to get some adds in there.
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I just found out that Amsoil has a Toronto Distribution Center in Mississauga (which is just outside of Toronto) so I can pick up the oil, tranny fluid & Oil filters, get it at wholesale & save the shipping costs to boot!
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